KPRF VS. Rosacea- Official comparison

[justakid]

NOTE: I posted this exact same thread on the KPRF community site. I do not know much about rosacea but a lot about KPRF.

Ok guys, i noticed a lot of people over in the rosacea forums are suffering from KPRF and trying to approach it like rosacea. So, lets make a detailed list of the similarities and differences. Just post any similarities and differences you know or can find and post them, i will keep them updated.

Differences:
- Rosacea usually starts after 30's, While KPRF can start at any time.
- Rosacea is usually accompanied by "Acne" different from white/black heads...usually contains pus, While kPRF bumps(if on the face) contain keratin(usually small hard bumps)
- Rosacea redness can be all over the face, while KPRF usually is limited to cheeks, chin, ears(?), areas to the left and right of eyes(top of sideburns)
- Rosacea have a set treatment, while KPRF is treated many different ways and usually varies from person to person.
- Rosacea can appear in the eye!

KPRF- tends to follow a donut shape of redness, while rosacea is less shape specific.
KPRF- pores are closed due to keratin, while rosacea pores can be very obvious.
KPRF- almost always the sufferer will exhibit KP on body as well-


Similarities
- Redness/Inflammation
- Puffyness
- Dry skin
- Flush/Blush easily
- some type of bumps
- Facial burning and stinging
- They both usually cause anxiety and hurt self-confidence/ causes phobias of redness o.o.
- Both are caused by genetics
- Lasers are able to treat both to some degree.
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Unknown
-KPRF is known to become worse or better with age? While rosacea becomes worse with time.
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Okay guys add your 2 cents and lets help people who are not sure what they have diagnose themselves!

Constructive criticism is welcomed! I want this list to be accurate. Sticky if you feel the need, people need this information. thanks.

-Nick

edited by phlika to add additional comments as requested

[drums]

Dear Nick,
There is absolutely no difference between seb derm and rosacea please forget about
classification between any forms of skin problems. There are quite a few different malfunctions in the biological process which occurs that leads to differing appearances of the lesions which is dependant upon two main factors.
1.The effect of the way your own body has on what you eat.
2.What types of food you consume at a particular meal. What you have to realise is that the culprit of these lesions are formed from the same process. The only difference is in the mix on the day from the foods you have eaten for example cabbage eaten one day may end up calculating into producing seb derm, fish n chips eaten another day may produce rosacea and so on; so its the foodys in the mix combined with the degree of your digestion which calculates which type of spots or appearance you end up with. I can say that this phenomenon is true from carrying out numerous experiments over the last five years. If it helps to convince you a person having acid indigestion today at 5pm will calculate into a spotty outbreak within approximately forty eight hours or so depending upon their rate of digestion..

The most important thing to realise is that we as people are incapable of being able to use the most common food source as a food because once eaten we cannot excrete the waste efficiently. The waste is inefficiently excreted but in the process creates skin lesions of varying appearances. So there is one cause producing different lesions. Yes there will be a difference in the appearance and also the annoyances one experiences. From my own testing and analysis of these skin problems my own opinion is that we are unconciously causing this ourselves through what we eat and only ourselves can prevent it.
No creams, tablets or laser treatments will solve the problem because its not a skin problem the moment you eat certain foods our fate is sealed .

[yogataz]

my additional notes:

KPRF- tends to follow a donut shape of redness, while rosacea is less shape specific.
KPRF- pores are closed due to keratin, while rosacea pores can be very obvious.
KPRF- almost always the sufferer will exhibit KP on body as well

[kristina b]

Hi justakid,

Good idea to set out the similarities/differences. Out of interest, do people with KPRF experience telangiectasia? If not, I guess that's another distinguishing sign.

Drums, I can't understand why you think there's no difference between these conditions - the causes of rosacea may remain a mystery, but that's not the case, as far as I understand, with KP. I thought KP (on the body, at least) was definitely caused by a genetic tendency to overproduce keratin?

Justakid, many of us do suspect that our tendency to rosacea is genetic, but I'm not sure that's quite as clear-cut as with KP. Another couple of points: many rosacea sufferers have papules (no pus) as well as pustules. And although you're right that many doctors assume that all rosaceans should follow the same set treatment (antibiotics, metrogel etc.), it does seem clear from this forum that effective treatments vary enormously from individual to individual wih rosacea as well as KPRF.


Best wishes,

Kristina

[justakid]

I must be missing something on the forum because i cannot manage to find an editing button :P

Well if a mod could maybe edit the post to include notes that others have added, that would be great. I guess you cannot edit a thread that was posted a day before or something to that extent.

[justakid]

Dear Nick,
There is absolutely no difference between seb derm and rosacea please forget about
classification between any forms of skin problems. There are quite a few different malfunctions in the biological process which occurs that leads to differing appearances of the lesions which is dependant upon two main factors.
1.The effect of the way your own body has on what you eat.
2.What types of food you consume at a particular meal. What you have to realise is that the culprit of these lesions are formed from the same process. The only difference is in the mix on the day from the foods you have eaten for example cabbage eaten one day may end up calculating into producing seb derm, fish n chips eaten another day may produce rosacea and so on; so its the foodys in the mix combined with the degree of your digestion which calculates which type of spots or appearance you end up with. I can say that this phenomenon is true from carrying out numerous experiments over the last five years. If it helps to convince you a person having acid indigestion today at 5pm will calculate into a spotty outbreak within approximately forty eight hours or so depending upon their rate of digestion..

The most important thing to realise is that we as people are incapable of being able to use the most common food source as a food because once eaten we cannot excrete the waste efficiently. The waste is inefficiently excreted but in the process creates skin lesions of varying appearances. So there is one cause producing different lesions. Yes there will be a difference in the appearance and also the annoyances one experiences. From my own testing and analysis of these skin problems my own opinion is that we are unconciously causing this ourselves through what we eat and only ourselves can prevent it.
No creams, tablets or laser treatments will solve the problem because its not a skin problem the moment you eat certain foods our fate is sealed .

KPRF does not always have to be accompanied by actualy KP on the face, just anywhere on the body. For example i have the redness of KPRF but my face is also clear

[drums]

Dear Justakid,
I recently posted that I had kprf only on my back during my thirties and the lesions still remain but I did not have rosacea then it was around fifty when I developed rosacea. Yes on some keratin covers the tops of the lesions/spots. When I had rosacea at times parts of my face would start to create keratin this always happened when I had a really bad flare up and my skin was really purple red and dry.
Its important to realise keratin is malformed skin it is formed only when other parts that would go to make up normal skin are missing mainly water and oils.
At this moment I don’t feel that I can really help you any further with the comparison because for me it is
mindless trying to say there is one shade of grey that is kprf while yet another shade of grey is rosacea.
The most helpful thing I can do is to say to you forget everything that you know or have read on kprf or rosacea because all theories are based upon the believe that it is a skin or genetic problem furthermore cures are based upon treating the skin. Now I cannot believe just how many people here and why all the derms think the same.
So if you are looking for a solution to a skin problem you really have to see it from another completely new perspective because until you begin to see it differently things will stay as they are.
There is no point in spending time on old hat theories that do not work and in years to come find yourself asking the same questions. There are too many people that cannot move forward because they have a piece of wood between their ears. There is an answer to your problems if you are willing enough to do something about it for yourself there is no easy way.
As soon as you eat something our body electronics swings into action sending messages to produce the right amount of digestive juices and so it goes on.

[justakid]

Could be true, but like other ideas it is just a theory as well. Most of the people decided to go with the people that have been studying it for years. Although KPRF has not been studied much in the scientific community, i am pretty sure rosacea has because of how many people have it. I still do believe it is genetic, i can almost guarantee if my mom did not have it that i would not have it. There is no reason you could not develop rosacea and have KP, to my knowledge they are fairly common skin conditions. The idea that everything you put into your body will in some way reflect how your skin looks is most likely accurate. For all i know if i dropped all food groups and just eat nuts and water for a year...maybe all of my skin problems would disappear, maybe not. They are all possibilities, maybe i will try a diet similar to that for a month or so. According to your theories if me and my brother were to eat the exact same thing, then we would have very similar conditions... although that does not seem to be the case. Also different people from around the world from all different ethnic backgrounds have this problem. I mean your theories have so many variables they are pointless to pursue. My mom had a red face and KP on her body, and so do I...so that leads me to believe it is genetics!

Trust me they are different conditions, and different beasts to handle. I believe rosacea has less permanent redness then KPRF and more legions or bumps. I don't know what it is like to have rosacea, from the pictures it seems more legions and bumps to me, with the redness coming from irritations from those. KPRF just seems more based on permanent redness and extreme red/purple when blushing/flushing. Having KPRF is like every time someone looks at you in a strange way or something loud falls to the ground, it is just uncontrollable blushing

[phlika29]

Have added those additional comments by yogataz to your original post as requested

[drums]

Dear justakid,
I disagree with your statement (According to your theories if me and my brother were to eat the exact same thing, then we would have very similar conditions.
Sorry you are missing the most fundematal difference which is simply that your body will process those same foods in a different way because there is a difference between your biology and another member of the family who does not have kprf through eating even exactly the same food, try it out and see what the outcome will be.
The impression from you is that you have already decided what sort of answers you are looking for so fair enough.