Dr Nase

[Bonefish]

Just an interest can someone tell why dr. nase was banned?

[redhotoz]

Just an interest can someone tell why dr. nase was banned?

It's very simple really. He broke the rules over and over again. He was banned many times for short periods of time and was given a lot more chances than anyone else. So finally he was banned permanently. Same as two other groups he was banned from permanently.

So, it's just that. Rules broken too many times, the same rules that apply to everyone.

Jen

[Bonefish]

Ok. Do you want to tell what rule/rules he broke and what he did?

[redhotoz]

Ok. Do you want to tell what rule/rules he broke and what he did?

I appreciate that you want to know the details but I don't believe it would be appropriate to copy and paste each and every post that culminated in the decision that was made. Said posts were removed because they were reported by one or more members of the Forum, using the Report Button. Using the Report Button means that the Moderators are required to investigate.

For your information, the Forum Policies are here:

http://www.rosaceagroup.org/wiki/Forum_policies

If you feel that the current 'rules' are inadequate, I welcome you to start a new thread in the Meta forum to this effect.

Jen

[Warren]

This forum was set up to serve the rosacea community. Part of the founding principals was that we are all equal and we can all have our say in how this forum is run. Anyone can read messages, post messages or help out by volunteering. Dr Nase quit this board many times and he was later banned because he refused to act in what we deemed a professional manner as we expect of all members. He simply does not want to participate professionaly as a member on this board and has for a long time touted his own board. It is not difficiult to get a board set up, so contact him and if appliciable even offer to help volunteer, but it is clear he will only participate where he is soly in change.

[Orion]

Is Dr Nase a con man? As I read something about him curing himself then writing a book on how he did it. Sorry if he is not just wondering why he is banned and why hes the only sufferer that has been cured that I have heard of. Also was wondering wether or not to buy his book.

[Kelli]

He's not a con man, I don't think.

I don't believe he's been cured, even though he may say he has.

And yes, I would buy his book. BUT - do not use it as the "bible" of rosacea. More as another source of information. For instance, he advocates highly for IPL/Fotoderm. I went that route, and it made me worse. So, basically, use your best judgement on it.

[clsykes00]

Is Dr Nase a con man? As I read something about him curing himself then writing a book on how he did it. Sorry if he is not just wondering why he is banned and why hes the only sufferer that has been cured that I have heard of. Also was wondering wether or not to buy his book.

Orion,
I would, without question, buy his book. He does not say he is cured but says he is in remission (big difference). His book is the single best reference available.

Best,
Trey

[Orion]

Thank you kindly folks! I am no one to judge anyone, I was just very curious. I will certainly consider his book.

[clsykes00]

Moderators,

It is quite clear to me that a majority of the members of this board want Dr Nase back. Does this in all honesty not seem obvious to everyone else?

We are all fighting for the same cause, remission of our rosacea. Please allow Dr. Nase to come back and help us achieve this goal. While his comments may have offended certain people, his advice has been arguably more beneficial than any other person's. The risk/benefit ratio of having him on certainly must be weighed carefully, but in my opinion (and based on the several requests here for his help), the benefits of having him here far exceeds any risk.

Please do not move this post to the meta-discussion, which is overlooked by most board members anyway. This has to do with our general fight with rosacea.

Respectfully,
Trey

[Barbara]

I totally agree with Trey!

All members, please focus on our goal. Our goal is to manage this frustrating disease. We have to grab every piece of information and help that we can get. Without Dr Nase’s input we are really missing a lot!

Take care all,
Barbara

[Kelli]

I disagree, but you probably saw that coming.

I'm not saying that HE is the cause, but his presence can be a disruption. If you want his advice, then email him or wait for his board to come to fruition. If he doesn't email you back, then he obviously has moved on.

Wanted to add: I think you're really disregarding a lot that has been contributed over the last few weeks. It's been great around here. Everyone has been contributing information from all sorts of areas.

[clsykes00]

I disagree, but you probably saw that coming.

I'm not saying that HE is the cause, but his presence can be a disruption. If you want his advice, then email him or wait for his board to come to fruition. If he doesn't email you back, then he obviously has moved on.

Wanted to add: I think you're really disregarding a lot that has been contributed over the last few weeks. It's been great around here. Everyone has been contributing information from all sorts of areas.

I am not disregarding the contribution over the past few weeks. You nor me nor anyone else is adequately suited to provide advice like Dr. Nase. He has a PhD in a highly relevant field. No one else on this board has this background. Pleasantries and basic understand (which has been mostly derived from Dr Nase's book) just does not adequately substitute for Dr Nase.

Here is my simple, but hard to take proof, of the demand for Dr. Nase's support:

- Review these boards and search these boards for those people specifically requesting Dr Nase's answers to their questions

- Review these boards and search these boards for those people specifically requesting anyone else's answers to their questions

Which do you think wins? and more importantly, by how much?

I understand your modivations Kelli. In my opinion, you got into some really childish arguments with Dr Nase in the past. I understand your ego may have been bruised. But, do not let that influence the simple analysis above of "who and by how much a person is in demand." I bring this up not to be sarcastic or scathing, but your motivations are relevant here and should not be ignored in this risk/benefit analysis.

Best,
Trey

[Kelli]

I understand your modivations Kelli. In my opinion, you got into some really childish arguments with Dr Nase in the past. I understand your ego may have been bruised. But, do not let that influence the simple analysis above of "who and by how much a person is in demand." I bring this up not to be sarcastic or scathing, but your motivations are relevant here and should not be ignored in this risk/benefit analysis.

Actually, Trey, I don't think you have it understood. My ego wasn't bruised by anything. My reputation was tarnished due to undue bashing done to me by Dr. Nase some time ago. The arguments were not childish. We saw a different philosophy on how to deal with people in general.

My motivation is to keep this board a happy place for rosaceans to come for support and relevant information. Studies that may or may not be published in 5 years are not relevant. They give false hope to those who are in pain NOW.

If majority says he should be allowed to come back, then so be it. It's not my board and I am not, nor will I ever be, a moderator. He has provided some assistance in the past and he probably could provide some in the future. I simply worry about the mental well-being of those that are here panicking for help and told that they have to wait 3 years for some miracle drug that will cure everything.

[clsykes00]

Kelli,
You and I are in absolute agreement on the mental health of rosaceans. I do not want undue pain for any rosaceans, physical or mental. I would be frankly surprised if Dr Nase felt differently from us.

Can you please provide a link or proof of Dr. Nase causing a rosacean undue, long term mental stress through his specific advice or posts on future advances since the implicit accusation was made? I appreciate the work in advance.

Best,
Trey

[Callien]

I don't doubt that Geoffrey got into some disagreements with other board members but I'm pretty sure it worked both ways. I also remember he was relentlessly pursued by a group of people whose sole purpose was to bring him down. I try to think of the motivations of those people and no matter what I come up with what they did is just downright f*cking mean.

It's interesting that many times when a topic comes up or a question is asked people are referred to his posts or his book so it seems he is still held to be the most knowledgeable source for information about this disease.

[Kelli]

Can you please provide a link or proof of Dr. Nase causing a rosacean undue, long term mental stress through his specific advice or posts on future advances since the implicit accusation was made? I appreciate the work in advance.

Trey - Any posts where Dr. Nase got nasty have been long deleted. And yes, he caused undue stress to THIS rosacean. And he's given false hope to others that I've talked to in the past.

I like you, but I think you're pushing a point that shouldn't be pushed right now. The entire ordeal is still too fresh in everyone's minds and there are hard feelings all around.

[Kelli]

It's interesting that many times when a topic comes up or a question is asked people are referred to his posts or his book so it seems he is still held to be the most knowledgeable source for information about this disease.

His book is brought up. So is Brady's. So are MANY sites that have rosacea information.

The point behind the banning was that he can't play well with others. Anytime he felt his authority was being undermined, he starting throwing a tantrum. By doing this, for me at least, it made me think that he wasn't the all-knowing authority on the subject... just really good at research.

I've probably been too vocal here, but I felt this strongly before and I still feel the same. I have no problems with leaving if y'all would like me to. I'm not posturing here, either. I tend to be a bit outspoken when I feel strongly about something and don't always know when to shut up.

[clsykes00]

Kelli,

I am not going any deeper a personal level.

Posts by Dr Nase are still available on this forum and on the Yahoo forum for proof to be provided.

Are you seeing a psychologist for your long term psychological damage inflicted by Dr. Nase. I ask with genuine concern.

Best,
Trey

[clsykes00]

Anytime he felt his authority was being undermined, he starting throwing a tantrum.

Isn't a tantrum on this board only as bad as the recipient let's it be? If one is bothered by it, ignore it. But don't let influence of a tantrum impede the knowledge transfer of other needy suffers because a few people can't ignore an uproar. Everyone has an ego. The strong know how to manage it.

Best,
Trey

[clsykes00]

I have no problems with leaving if y'all would like me to. I'm not posturing here, either. I tend to be a bit outspoken when I feel strongly about something and don't always know when to shut up.

Please do not leave. A healthy debate is just that, healthy. The community needs people like you!

Best,
Trey

[Miki]

im not sure what the problem was but i do think dr nase had good intentions as far as helping rosaceans.

[Kelli]

Trye - when you ask about a psychologist, that's taking it to a different level.

I ask that you apologize, please. It wasn't called for and you're being deliberately obtuse about the whole discussion.

[clsykes00]

Trey - Any posts where Dr. Nase got nasty have been long deleted. And yes, he caused undue stress to THIS rosacean. And he's given false hope to others that I've talked to in the past.

Kelli,
My question about a psych was in response to your self admission to the undue stress you have incurred. You responded with the quote above when I asked "can you provide evidence of anyone that has suffered UNDUE, LONG TERM stress as a result of Dr Nase's actions." You provided yourself as an example of this. If this is the case and you are truly suffering, I asked a reasonable question. If you are not suffering, then you should NOT have offered yourself as an example, and your apology is required for overstating your suffering and misleading the community.

Best,
Trey

[clsykes00]

[quote=Kelli]Trey - Any posts where Dr. Nase got nasty have been long deleted. And yes, he caused undue stress to THIS rosacean. And he's given false hope to others that I've talked to in the past.

Kelli,
My question about a psych was in response to your self admission to the undue stress you have incurred. You responded with the quote above when I asked "can you provide evidence of anyone that has suffered UNDUE, LONG TERM stress as a result of Dr Nase's actions." You provided yourself as an example of this. If this is the case and you are truly suffering, I asked a reasonable question. If you are not suffering, then you should NOT have offered yourself as an example, and your apology is required for overstating your suffering and misleading the community.

Now, can we stay on track and get back to a significant point of this thread, Dr Nase and his contributions to this forum.

Best,
Trey

[scrumptious]

clsykes00 i think you are pursuing a tangent for yr own gratification here. Kelli stated verbatim ' he caused undue stress to THIS rosacean.', she certainly did not state it was a long term psychological problem that needed therapy.

I would also acknowledge that Dr Nase caused me undue stress in the past with many of his rants and accusations which i actually proved were false, providing links back to the evidence and yet still he brought the whole thing up again months later and rehashed his allegations.

Very tiresome, certainly stressful, and yet i still believe he has a lot to offer the rosacean community so find it sad that he can't seem to participate in communities without causing a large divide.

[Bonefish]

It would be nice to see dr. Nase before/after photos just an interest :)
And when someone said that if we want to ask something about dr.Nase, we should send him e-mail. Well I did, and got answer for his assistant who said that there was something like 1000 or even 3000 e-mails unreaded and he will answer those in sometime. Yeah right.. year 2040? And I can believe that with that great success he has gotten. So here in forum talking to him would be much easier and faster because many people would see his texts. Please take him back :(

[scrumptious]

Bonefish, if it makes you feel the slightest bit better i believe Dr Nase is very active with his research, has recently attended a big dermatology conference in the US and i think it is through this more active research, that he might be able to help people more when his forum is launched.

i know from a personal viewpoint that i am always more effective when interacting with people away from a monitor screen.

[Bob Bear]

Sally,

Spot on. Im glad Geoffrey is getting out and involved with his peers. Although I value his presense on the forums greatly, its my opinion that he has far more to offer on the 'outside'.

Actually, last time we spoke he mentioned that he was involved in a drug trial for rosacea, though I forget which one.

BB

[gparker]

You responded with the quote above when I asked "can you provide evidence of anyone that has suffered UNDUE, LONG TERM stress as a result of Dr Nase's actions." You provided yourself as an example of this. If this is the case and you are

Please don't respond to this trollish comment, Kelli. You've made your arguments very well.
-Greg

[clsykes00]

clsykes00 i think you are pursuing a tangent for yr own gratification here. Kelli stated verbatim ' he caused undue stress to THIS rosacean.', she certainly did not state it was a long term psychological problem that needed therapy.

I would also acknowledge that Dr Nase caused me undue stress in the past with many of his rants and accusations which i actually proved were false, providing links back to the evidence and yet still he brought the whole thing up again months later and rehashed his allegations.

Very tiresome, certainly stressful, and yet i still believe he has a lot to offer the rosacean community so find it sad that he can't seem to participate in communities without causing a large divide.

Let's get back on topic.

Best,
Trey

[scrumptious]

bless, and there's me thinking it was this very comment posted by you, that hauled the thread very much off topic.


I understand your modivations Kelli. In my opinion, you got into some really childish arguments with Dr Nase in the past. I understand your ego may have been bruised. But, do not let that influence the simple analysis above of "who and by how much a person is in demand." I bring this up not to be sarcastic or scathing, but your motivations are relevant here and should not be ignored in this risk/benefit analysis.

[MARPUSBEAN]

I also have to comment that Sally was spot on!
I would love to have Geoffrey back on this forum providing info, and all would go well for a week, and then it would start to go wrong again.
He is very intense, and semi- cocooned in his scientific world, and likes to consider himself a leader, this kind of personality does not sit well in an open public forum like this.
I have always eagerly awaited his comments on every forum, but on each forum I have seen him become a centre of controversy and disruption.
Myself I am hoping he will get his "forum" up and running, there he will assume control, and he will feel more comfortable in that role, and clearly will operate better under such conditions.
I am sure it will be more of an information forum, with him providing the info, I see no problem in participating in such a setup, and even using this forum to discuss ideas brought up on his forum, why not??
I think there is room for a rosacea site led by Geoffrey and a great open forum like this one.

[Miki]

what do you expect the guy is a doctor after all. they all have big ego's its just the way it is. but i still think dr nase has good intentions and has a genuine intrest in rosacea and helping people with rosacea.

[clsykes00]

[quote="scrumptious"]bless, and there's me thinking it was this very comment posted by you, that hauled the thread very much off topic.

Can you stay on topic rather than making flawed accusation?


I can tolerate the trade off of personal issues/attacks (whichever way people like to characterize it) for very useful information. I do not come to this board to make friends nor get psychological uplifting/support. I want information that can help me make better decisions for myself. I can choose to use the information or not.

Based on the information others have provided, personal issues/attacks etc. greatly affect their well being and ability to survive on this board. I can respect your opinions. Everyone is different.

I wish us all good luck because we as a whole, in my opinion, are ill-equiped on a relative basis to Dr Nase to provide similar help to the community.

Best,
Trey

[Callien]

I heard Geoffrey never made it to the conference. He was supposed to meet up with Dr. Syed (of green tea cream fame) at the AAD in San Francisco.

on each forum I have seen him become a centre of controversy and disruption.


I think in large part that was due to those who were pursuing him in an effort to bring him down. I'm not saying he didn't bring any of it on himself but a lot of it was the very dirty business of politics.

[LAMBGS]

Wow Trey

You sound very bitter...I thought the whole reason for this forum was to make freinds and share info about fellow Rosaceans. If you just want to get info your best bet is to just get it off the internet and not come on this site talking to people. I thinkits silly the way your all talking. We all share the same thing and our goals are all the same(trying to survive with this desease). So we need to get along and take eachothers opionion and that OPIONIONS...

Best of Luck to all

Ginny

[clsykes00]

Wow Trey

You sound very bitter...I thought the whole reason for this forum was to make freinds and share info about fellow Rosaceans. If you just want to get info your best bet is to just get it off the internet and not come on this site talking to people. I thinkits silly the way your all talking. We all share the same thing and our goals are all the same(trying to survive with this desease). So we need to get along and take eachothers opionion and that OPIONIONS...

Best of Luck to all

Ginny

Ginny,
Not bitter. But I do really dislike such a large leap in your judgement of me based on a substantial lack of information about me. The tone of my posts provide limited basis for my general demeanor. This pursuit is frankly about what I value most, information, and Dr Nase IN MY OPINION, provides the best source of information around.

You have made an assessment of the purpose of this site in your mind. This is not necessarily what I want or what others may want. So let's both respect our differences. There was a time, when Dr Nase was on this board, when the most up to date information was available on this site (more updated than any rosacea information site as you mentioned in your post speaking from someone who has been around rosacea boards for between 2 and 3 years). That is what we got with someone who is at the forefront of rosacea, who garnered knowledge from interviews of leading researchers and being a researcher himself. Now, we are left with a forum better at regurgitating many facts that were initially brought to light by Dr Nase, among just general simplictic knowledge that can be found on the web, and a forum that values and benefits from consoling with one another, which I do not value as much since I have friends and family outside of the virtual world to provide that for me. You as well as others value the consoling aspects of this site more than I do. That is fair for you and everyone else to desire that.

So when I say good luck to all of us left without Dr Nase as a FREE RESOURCE, I mean it. I am in the same boat as all of you now because many people here can't stomach debates or converse opinions. If someone has a converse opinion, THE GROUP drives the person away, like rosaceans on rosacea boards have done with Dr Nase and Dr Soldo, among others. So we should look at ourselves and know that we are ALL responsible for driving true experts away from these forums. Maybe if we all had "thicker skin" we wouldn't take comments so personally and wouldn't cause such attrition of quality minds from these boards.

Best,
Trey

[prometheus]

Wow Trey

You sound very bitter...I thought the whole reason for this forum was to make freinds and share info about fellow Rosaceans. If you just want to get info your best bet is to just get it off the internet and not come on this site talking to people. I thinkits silly the way your all talking. We all share the same thing and our goals are all the same(trying to survive with this desease). So we need to get along and take eachothers opionion and that OPIONIONS...

Best of Luck to all

Ginny

Ginny,
Not bitter. But I do really dislike such a large leap in your judgement of me based on a substantial lack of information about me. The tone of my posts provide limited basis for my general demeanor. This pursuit is frankly about what I value most, information, and Dr Nase IN MY OPINION, provides the best source of information around.

You have made an assessment of the purpose of this site in your mind. This is not necessarily what I want or what others may want. So let's both respect our differences. There was a time, when Dr Nase was on this board, when the most up to date information was available on this site (more updated than any rosacea information site as you mentioned in your post speaking from someone who has been around rosacea boards for between 2 and 3 years). That is what we got with someone who is at the forefront of rosacea, who garnered knowledge from interviews of leading researchers and being a researcher himself. Now, we are left with a forum better at regurgitating many facts that were initially brought to light by Dr Nase, among just general simplictic knowledge that can be found on the web, and a forum that values and benefits from consoling with one another, which I do not value as much since I have friends and family outside of the virtual world to provide that for me. You as well as others value the consoling aspects of this site more than I do. That is fair for you and everyone else to desire that.

So when I say good luck to all of us left without Dr Nase as a FREE RESOURCE, I mean it. I am in the same boat as all of you now because many people here can't stomach debates or converse opinions. If someone has a converse opinion, THE GROUP drives the person away, like rosaceans on rosacea boards have done with Dr Nase and Dr Soldo, among others. So we should look at ourselves and know that we are ALL responsible for driving true experts away from these forums. Maybe if we all had "thicker skin" we wouldn't take comments so personally and wouldn't cause such attrition of quality minds from these boards.

Best,
Trey

Agreed.

This place is far worse off without Dr. nase.

[Miki]

Wow Trey

You sound very bitter...I thought the whole reason for this forum was to make freinds and share info about fellow Rosaceans. If you just want to get info your best bet is to just get it off the internet and not come on this site talking to people. I thinkits silly the way your all talking. We all share the same thing and our goals are all the same(trying to survive with this desease). So we need to get along and take eachothers opionion and that OPIONIONS...

Best of Luck to all

Ginny

Ginny,
Not bitter. But I do really dislike such a large leap in your judgement of me based on a substantial lack of information about me. The tone of my posts provide limited basis for my general demeanor. This pursuit is frankly about what I value most, information, and Dr Nase IN MY OPINION, provides the best source of information around.

You have made an assessment of the purpose of this site in your mind. This is not necessarily what I want or what others may want. So let's both respect our differences. There was a time, when Dr Nase was on this board, when the most up to date information was available on this site (more updated than any rosacea information site as you mentioned in your post speaking from someone who has been around rosacea boards for between 2 and 3 years). That is what we got with someone who is at the forefront of rosacea, who garnered knowledge from interviews of leading researchers and being a researcher himself. Now, we are left with a forum better at regurgitating many facts that were initially brought to light by Dr Nase, among just general simplictic knowledge that can be found on the web, and a forum that values and benefits from consoling with one another, which I do not value as much since I have friends and family outside of the virtual world to provide that for me. You as well as others value the consoling aspects of this site more than I do. That is fair for you and everyone else to desire that.

So when I say good luck to all of us left without Dr Nase as a FREE RESOURCE, I mean it. I am in the same boat as all of you now because many people here can't stomach debates or converse opinions. If someone has a converse opinion, THE GROUP drives the person away, like rosaceans on rosacea boards have done with Dr Nase and Dr Soldo, among others. So we should look at ourselves and know that we are ALL responsible for driving true experts away from these forums. Maybe if we all had "thicker skin" we wouldn't take comments so personally and wouldn't cause such attrition of quality minds from these boards.

Best,
Trey


good post, i think some people come here to be part of a community and so they can share there stories and vent which is all well and good but the most important thing should be up to date information and thats what makes the internet and especially messageboards like this so valuable. it is great that dr nase and dr crouch can come hear and give us advice free of charge on subjects that would otherwise be hard to find if trying to research on your own, and i am disspointed as well that we don't get that anymore. the people on this board are nice and they mean well but they cant replace a proffesional's opinion.

[Kelli]

This place is far worse off without Dr. nase.

Then, why do you come here? Seriously. If this place is horrible and you get nothing out of it, then why are you here day in and day out?

[Peter]

This place is far worse off without Dr. nase.

Then, why do you come here? Seriously. If this place is horrible and you get nothing out of it, then why are you here day in and day out?

Well said and exactly my sentiments to Kelli.

All these people have to do is pay their money and sign up to join his new Forum - if it ever happens !

Peter

[scrumptious]

There was a time, when Dr Nase was on this board, when the most up to date information was available on this site (more updated than any rosacea information site as you mentioned in your post speaking from someone who has been around rosacea boards for between 2 and 3 years). That is what we got with someone who is at the forefront of rosacea, who garnered knowledge from interviews of leading researchers and being a researcher himself.

I used to feel really hopeful when Dr Nase brought exciting new developments to the board i have to say. Unfortunately what went with that up, was a down when perhaps the treatment wasn't first as expected or perhaps it didn't work for many of us etc etc. However given the option i would much prefer to operate on hope that feel that nobody had an answers and we were all flailing in the dark.

Because of this i would support Dr Nase being allowed back, however not only has he vehemently stated he would not post on this board again, the moderators seem very set that he will not be allowed to post on this board again. Which makes this whole discussion fairly redundant, and yet i guess its healthy to bash it around regularly.

[prometheus]

This place is far worse off without Dr. nase.

Then, why do you come here? Seriously. If this place is horrible and you get nothing out of it, then why are you here day in and day out?

Hmmm,

Somehow me saying this place is far worse off without Dr. nase translated in your mind to me saying this place is horrible and I get nothing out of it.

Maybe you should see a psychologist for your long term psychological damage inflicted by Dr. Nase.

Why do you come here though? I thought you left.

[MARPUSBEAN]

Its very clear to me that to get the most out of a forum with Geoffrey Nase on it, one has to be very calm, mature, and careful.
He has the habit of bombarding us with every bit of info from every paper, however remote, that is published, a lot of this is about products, and possible treatments which will never see the light of day!!
This is how medical science is, and specially where rosacea is concerned.
It seems that some people have, indeed, hung on his every word, and waited and expected quick results from what they believed to be medical miracles which have not yet materialised.
Some people, in the past, have emphasised that Geoffrey is not an MD, which is true, and he tends not to be as cautious as an MD, and tends to treat the rest of us as fellow collaborators, pumping out this info at great speed.
One has to be very careful in how one absorbes all the info, which is why I maintain my stance that there has to be a very specific type of forum for him to operate at his best, and also for the best results for the other members, hence I await his new forum, and hope it happens.
As far as paying, well with IPL and all the rest I am averaging about the equivalent of $3000 per annum on this disease, so paying a bit more to join a forum will be fine for me!

[Lirva]

Marpus - Why, do you have to be calm, mature, and careful? Because you are dealing with a narcissist.

Narcissists are extremely sensitive to personal criticism and extremely critical of other people. They think that they must be seen as perfect or superior or infallible, next to god-like, or else they are worthless. They can't tolerate the least disagreement. They will attack you, and spew a load of bile, insult, abuse, contempt, threats, etc. The narcissist expects that you will be devastated by the withdrawal of his divine attention, so that after a while, a few weeks or months, he will expect you to have learned your lesson and be eager to have him return to the fold. Freud said -- "these people act like they are in love with themselves."

Sometimes narcissistic fantasies are spectaculrly grandiose -- imagining themselves as a guru -- but just as often the fantasies are mediocre, concocted from illustrations and articles in popular journals. Narcissists work for a goal: they want power, authority, and adulation. They can put in a shocking amount of time to very little effect.

Narcissists feel entitled to whatever they can take. They expect privileges and indulgences, and they also feel entitled to exploit other people without any trace of reciprocation.

from the writings of J. Ashmun.

[redhotoz]

The posts above were moved to this new thread, as it was clear that nobody was going to talk about Ocular Rosacea.

Feel free to nut it out here but PLEASE stop the personal attacks!

Jen

[MARPUSBEAN]

Lirva you have answered the question yourself, one has to be calm and objective in order to get the best out of Dr. Nase, and not get emotional or worked up as you have!!
Not all the people in the world who may have useful info and can help are nice, tolerant, and easy to cope with, and that description fits Dr. Nase, I for one do not hero worship him, and I daresay if I knew him I would not even like him for the reasons that you so clearly state, but it does suit me to get information from him, and make use of some of the things he says, but not all, I am totally selfish in this.
I am older than him, I know for a fact I am many times richer than him, and I think maybe even more successful than him in my own field, so I have no feeling of inferiority where he is concerned, and if he wants to make a fool of himself sometimes by going over the top, well its his problem, and I take some of what he says with a pinch of salt!
I think my view is balanced, but I feel some other people take him far too seriously, waiting for pearls to fall from his lips, or alternatively abusing him.
There are many narcissists in the world, but they can be useful if kept in their place, it is not so black and white, you should not take him so seriously, by doing so you make him worse!

[Kelli]

This place is far worse off without Dr. nase.

Then, why do you come here? Seriously. If this place is horrible and you get nothing out of it, then why are you here day in and day out?

Hmmm,

Somehow me saying this place is far worse off without Dr. nase translated in your mind to me saying this place is horrible and I get nothing out of it.

Maybe you should see a psychologist for your long term psychological damage inflicted by Dr. Nase.

Why do you come here though? I thought you left.


Ah fuck it. Had so many things to say, but it's not worth it.

Have fun!

[MARPUSBEAN]

Just to let everybody know I, for one, am all posted out on this thorny subject, what will be will be, we will wait and see.

[clsykes00]

Dr. Nase has never 'asked' or 'begged' to come back to this forum so I am not sure why people tell us to let him back in? If he wanted back in, don't you think he would have contacted one of us?

He's setting up a forum where he has complete control and can generate income for himself.

Based on what Bonefish said, he is very very busy and probably doesn't even have time for a forum like this anymore. Heck, he has a personal assistant now. Consultations must be good.

He's gone.. most have accepted this. Why keep going in circles on this topic? If you want a forum where Dr. Nase will participate you can do one of the following:

- Start your own forum
- Help him with his forum

Now if you want to spend all your energy on this topic for the next few months by all means go ahead.

Would you put your ego in check and continually ask to be let back into the forum? This is a personal question that can only answered by each individual, but this action is a hard thing to do. It's human nature to let ego determine alot of actions.

Have any of the moderators put their egos in check and reached out to him to ask him to join the forum? Have any of the moderators thought about a creative solution to allow him to come back in a more effective manner?

This is no slight on the moderators, but I attempt to call to attention that simply waiting for a "phone call" does not give really any indication of willingness and desires. Human nature is far more complex than just resorting to myopic analyses.


As a side note, I am "surprised" by the four letter words and singularly bashing posts above that added "zero" to the discussion other than to incite reactions. Review those posts (especially the ones that added absolutely nothing but to bash someone), and contemplate why its so hard to keep experts in this forum.

Is it them or is it us?

Best,
Trey

[prometheus]

This place is far worse off without Dr. nase.

Then, why do you come here? Seriously. If this place is horrible and you get nothing out of it, then why are you here day in and day out?

Hmmm,

Somehow me saying this place is far worse off without Dr. nase translated in your mind to me saying this place is horrible and I get nothing out of it.

Maybe you should see a psychologist for your long term psychological damage inflicted by Dr. Nase.

Why do you come here though? I thought you left.


Ah fuck it. Had so many things to say, but it's not worth it.

Have fun!

Yeah, like I was saying. This forum is a lot worse off without Dr. Nase. But on the positive side, we have these golden nuggets from kelli to look forward to.

[prryjones]

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[Rick]

Heck, he has a personal assistant now.

For an interesting perspective on his alleged assistant(s), search for "Amanda" in the court deposition on the infamous debunk site. (The discussion of his assistant spans pages 73-80.) The cross examination on this subject of this concludes with the attorney asking Nase if Amanda was a "figment of your imagination". Guess she lives on ...

Rick

[Felix]

maybe he's on holiday?

[Bob Bear]

I heard he was the working as the guy in the Donald Duck suit at Disney World Indiana. Tis true story, lol.

So now that we've settled it, can we please move on... (this is where I wish I had a Russian Rullet smiley).

BB

[Felix]

i doubt that that story is true, Robert. Someone has been telling you pork pies.

[Felix]

... besides, i thought you two were like brothers. Is the good doctor maintaining radio silence with the Bobomeister?

[Bob Bear]

Its all on a strictly 'need to know' basis, so I'll need to check your papers Felix old boy :wink:

Seriously, last time I spoke to Geoffrey he was very excited about the work he was doing and very light hearted. It appears that he has made parol on his 'Forum' life sentence and is doing some interesting work in the real world. Good for him, I hope it all works out.

And as far as this topic / s are concerned, this Bob Bear signing off.

BB

[Felix]

thank you Robert, i look forward to hearing about your treatment and wish you the very best in life. I am sure you will be better very soon and be able to get your life back on track.

god bless you Bob, thank you for all that you do.