Peter
23rd January 2006, 08:12 PM
Geoffrey
Ok lets get this thread back on track to your first post where you made some very serious allegations about me. Do not underestimate that these are very serious. Since that first post you have been challenged to provide evidence but nothing has been forthcoming.
To me: No evidence = No proof = Allegation void
Simple equation really.
Below is a statement from Adrian Warburton - Director of Dermalux who has kindly given me permission to post this on the Forum. You may remember in the past when you made similar allegations against me I gave you his address and telephone number but you have never made contact. When I spoke to Adrian today he had never heard of you. I think the first line of his statement is very pertinent.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Warburton
To: Peter Waters
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Can you help please !
Dear Peter
What a tirade! most unscientific and not helping the situation at all - why is he so vindictive?
I cannot recall any unit that has been returned from a Rosacea sufferer either a tubed or LED version.
I can also state that as a Company we have never asked you to promote our products or that you have ever received any payment for same. We have tried to help people who have contacted us with the best of our knowledge and experience. We always point out that there has never been a Clinical trial done with regards to Rosacea although, I seem to recall that Tony Chu is about to start a trial with redlight (it might be worth having a word with him)
The problem with the argument about Rosacea is that the cause has not been defined with absolute certainty.
Simplisticly it it appears to be an exaggeration of a natural condition that occurrs normally as the result of embarassement which dialates the capilliaries in the surface of the skin to cause a blush
I know that some researchers think that its cause could be p.Acnes manifesting itself in a different way
As you know we have never pushed the DermaLux as a treatment for Rosacea but lots of people suffering from the condition seem to be getting benefit by using all red versions. The Red LED unit was developed as a wound healing unit for recalcitrant leg ulcers. We have only sold a relatively few all Red LED units for Rosacea to people who wanted to try them and they seem to be doing OK. They will certainly tell you that the quality of their skin has improved which may be a cause of the improvement in the Rosacea but untill we have a controlled Clinical trial on any system of treatment we can only go on peoples experiences.
The understanding of light Therapy is growing fast but it is all relative. I once spoke to a Nobel Prize winning Proffesor of Medicine who told me that the sum total of the knowledge of the functioning of the human body is 15% and most of that is mechanics and plumbing so we have a long way to go with the biochemistry. That is the reason that some treatments in all facets of Medicine work for some cases and not for others. So the only advice given must be if it works for you use it if does not don't
regards
Adrian Warburton
Director DermaLux
Over to you now Geoffrey but please keep this thread fixed back to theme in your original post. You are very skilfull at avoiding the issues when it suits you. Lets have the evidence please ?
Thank you
Peter
Ok lets get this thread back on track to your first post where you made some very serious allegations about me. Do not underestimate that these are very serious. Since that first post you have been challenged to provide evidence but nothing has been forthcoming.
To me: No evidence = No proof = Allegation void
Simple equation really.
Below is a statement from Adrian Warburton - Director of Dermalux who has kindly given me permission to post this on the Forum. You may remember in the past when you made similar allegations against me I gave you his address and telephone number but you have never made contact. When I spoke to Adrian today he had never heard of you. I think the first line of his statement is very pertinent.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Warburton
To: Peter Waters
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Can you help please !
Dear Peter
What a tirade! most unscientific and not helping the situation at all - why is he so vindictive?
I cannot recall any unit that has been returned from a Rosacea sufferer either a tubed or LED version.
I can also state that as a Company we have never asked you to promote our products or that you have ever received any payment for same. We have tried to help people who have contacted us with the best of our knowledge and experience. We always point out that there has never been a Clinical trial done with regards to Rosacea although, I seem to recall that Tony Chu is about to start a trial with redlight (it might be worth having a word with him)
The problem with the argument about Rosacea is that the cause has not been defined with absolute certainty.
Simplisticly it it appears to be an exaggeration of a natural condition that occurrs normally as the result of embarassement which dialates the capilliaries in the surface of the skin to cause a blush
I know that some researchers think that its cause could be p.Acnes manifesting itself in a different way
As you know we have never pushed the DermaLux as a treatment for Rosacea but lots of people suffering from the condition seem to be getting benefit by using all red versions. The Red LED unit was developed as a wound healing unit for recalcitrant leg ulcers. We have only sold a relatively few all Red LED units for Rosacea to people who wanted to try them and they seem to be doing OK. They will certainly tell you that the quality of their skin has improved which may be a cause of the improvement in the Rosacea but untill we have a controlled Clinical trial on any system of treatment we can only go on peoples experiences.
The understanding of light Therapy is growing fast but it is all relative. I once spoke to a Nobel Prize winning Proffesor of Medicine who told me that the sum total of the knowledge of the functioning of the human body is 15% and most of that is mechanics and plumbing so we have a long way to go with the biochemistry. That is the reason that some treatments in all facets of Medicine work for some cases and not for others. So the only advice given must be if it works for you use it if does not don't
regards
Adrian Warburton
Director DermaLux
Over to you now Geoffrey but please keep this thread fixed back to theme in your original post. You are very skilfull at avoiding the issues when it suits you. Lets have the evidence please ?
Thank you
Peter