Does it matter if the rosacea forum @ esfbchannel is closed?

[Bradley]

Does anyone know why so many people are really worried about whether Ed will permenantly close the rosacea forum over at esfbchannel since we have this board? I don't see why so many of the users over there are so attached to that board when the level of moderation is clearly not as good as this board. Moreover, it seems the quality of posts and information is far far better on this forum than esfb.

I have posted over there that the only way that forum can operate properly is if Ed employs more moderators because it is clear he can't do it on his own. I think this is why this rosacea forum is so good because even when it is attacked, the majority of users on here don't even realise it since the mods are so fast. I very much appreciate the amount of effort put into this site and I just don't get why the level of posting went right down when Ed reopened esfb. I can't see how esfb is in any way better?

[fanta]

I think we waste our life on many useless things, ESFB is definitely one of those things

[RedHotCanuck]

When I was mod here, I asked Ed plenty of times to help with stopping the attackers, but he wouldn't listen. There are about 7 mods here that keep the forum running quite smoothly, so how does he expect to run that forum just by himself?

[prometheus]

Well, you will probably delete this. But one of the very large problems here is that you continue to allow someone who has been so destructive and hateful and damaging to the rosacea community to continue to post and flourish here. A very large number of regulars who have been so helpful to so many people and have been a very important part of the rosacea community will have nothing to do with it or very little to do with it as long as that continues. That's one reason.

[prometheus]

I mean, look at his post above. How many people have been helped over time at the esfb board, and he posts that its useless. He pretty much destroyed that board single handidly and now he has a nice safe home here to sit back and insult the place that so many people called home.

I agree that this is a very nice board, and its certainly moderated a whole lot better. But it is an insult every time you read a post that someone who has been so damaging makes.

[fanta]

distorted facts and false rumors have been produced on a daily basis at ESFB, thats why I dont like it. Ed is actually a reasonable guy, he doesnt want anymore b.s. from anybody. If you start blaiming others and mention certain conflicts, you are out (no one is above his rules). I know there were two trolls at ESFB, one of them with his Danny videos and another Norwegian guy :roll:
I think Ed has had enough of this nonsense now and wont reopen the rosacea section ever again.

[Felix]

September the 10th you say? Crikey!

[fanta]

Yup! September 11th and you guys were on your own! #-o

[Spav]

For those slagging of the ESFB forum. I was a member their long before the trouble started and found there to be many friendly, supportive and knowledgeable users. However, it was subsequently destroyed when linked to from the yahoo rosacea group, after which new users took advantage of the lack of moderation.

[fanta]

For those slagging of the ESFB forum. I was a member their long before the trouble started and found there to be many friendly, supportive and knowledgeable users. However, it was subsequently destroyed when linked to from the yahoo rosacea group, after which new users took advantage of the lack of moderation.
thats very precise indeed, thats exactly what happened...we have this forum now and there aint any debunkers in the horizon..so why not be happy with that?
at the end of the day, the discussions run in circles so we havent really missed much information from the break-up of ESFB and rosacea support

[Spav]

thats very precise indeed, thats exactly what happened...we have this forum and there aint any debunkers in the horizon..so why not be happy with that?

I like this forum Fanta. However i have noticed that the ESFB forum has a very bad reputation here. I just wanted people to know it wasn't always like that. The forum was absolutely fine until linked to from the yahoo rosacea group. The so called 'rosacea wars' were then conducted there with total disregard for the long term members of that forum.

[GJ]

Why are people attatched to the ESFB forum?
Because all of life is there!

There are the intelligent and sweet (and bonkers) folk who endure excessive sweating. There are the delightfully self-deprecating and resourceful blushers. There are the stoical citizens who have had ETS.
And, of course, there is the odd ( insert your own epithet) rosacean kicking about.

ESFB is, and was, not about rosacea. It is more important than that.

Besides, as a kid, the great parties were those denuded of adults. (And the very best time was had when mischievous fathers spiked the lemonade.)

[fanta]

but isnt it a problem when we get emotionally attached to an internet forum? isnt it a poor substitute for social forums in real life? Somehow I think its about finding a balance. Its good to gain knowledge and be in touch with others having the same problems, but dwelling into a health crisis state for years must be bad. We all need to find some solutions or plans within 5-20 months or we would miss out on too much in life. Waiting for a cure seems not to be worthwhile as any new drug candidate would require years of clinical trials before it could hit the markets.

[GJ]

You are as perceptive as you are sweet tasting, good Sir.
Video meliora proboque; deteriora sequor.

[Miki]

this forum is better, i dont care if the other one opens again or not, everyone should just come here from know on.

[Bob Bear]

Why are people attatched to the ESFB forum?
Because all of life is there!

There are the intelligent and sweet (and bonkers) folk who endure excessive sweating. There are the delightfully self-deprecating and resourceful blushers. There are the stoical citizens who have had ETS.
And, of course, there is the odd ( insert your own epithet) rosacean kicking about.

ESFB is, and was, not about rosacea. It is more important than that.

Besides, as a kid, the great parties were those denuded of adults. (And the very best time was had when mischievous fathers spiked the lemonade.)

Very true GJ, wise words as always!

But I think it may be more to do with the fact the hunk known as Bob Bear is a regular attendie. With that kind of presence, its only nature that the masses would flock.

But never fear Bear fans, he has been spotted around these parts once or twice aswell (but only by the sharp eyed).

Bob 'UBER NARC' Bear

[Bob Bear]

You are as perceptive as you are sweet tasting, good Sir.
Video meliora proboque; deteriora sequor.

Really? I found him rather salty...

Sorry, ESFB OT moment! And yet another reason why ESFB live on (or die, depending on your particular sensibilities :wink: ).

[fanta]

blah blah blah.... stup! =;

[Bob Bear]

Hahaha, Marc you are like a cold beer on a hot day my bredren :lol:

[fanta]

Bob Bear, you are like a men's lavatory sprayed with lavender fragrance... stup! =;

[prometheus]

see

[fanta]

see ya pro! =;

[Felix]

I think Marc should receive a medal, his abstinence from other forums and sites is noteworthy indeed, such a level of self restraint is rarely seen these days.

[fanta]

Me a medal? thanks..? 8-[

[Felix]

I am also thinking about prescribing you something to help you sleep better.

[Mermaid]

distorted facts and false rumors have been produced on a daily basis at ESFB, thats why I dont like it. Ed is actually a reasonable guy, he doesnt want anymore b.s. from anybody. If you start blaiming others and mention certain conflicts, you are out (no one is above his rules). I know there were two trolls at ESFB, one of them with his Danny videos and another Norwegian guy :roll:
I think Ed has had enough of this nonsense now and wont reopen the rosacea section ever again.

Marc, you are so full of crap sometimes.......edit that to all the time!

I really respect and trust the views of Spav, GJ and Bob Bear with regards to the old ESFB and how great it was. I never posted there, content with posting at Yahoo R-S .............. that was until I was contacted by a very influential and respected person amongst the rosacea community, that Marc was concocting the most absurd and ridiculous lies and slander about me and posting it for all to read. To top it all off, he was even co-signing his name little 'Mermaid'. The reason? Marc doesn't need a reason.

So are you going to deny this? This was way before the debunkers. You then decided to use my username (you can change someone's username by adding a fullstop at the end etc, to mimic that person and make it look like it came from the original username) and post complete and utter rubbish to the forum and to others, giving the illusion it was me. You even used my full name 'maria cardone' as one of your usernames. Oh and let's not forget the 'maria loves marc' username. And you didn't just do this to me I'm told.

You had so many usernames, it was a total joke, much like your reputation. Are you going to deny that you had a very large hand in the demise of ESFB? Are you going to deny that you made life hell for alot of undeserving people? I'll never forgive you for dragging me into the whole debunking scandal, which I find disgusting and abhorrent.........much the same way I feel about you.

Now you come onto this forum, boasting of your many supporters, give out medical advice that only a doctor should be doing, and you find that acceptable? I thought we were here to support each other and speak from personal experience, not dish out medical advice, which should only be done by someone's physician.

Then you proclaim 'but isnt it a problem when we get emotionally attached to an internet forum? isnt it a poor substitute for social forums in real life? Somehow I think its about finding a balance'.

If you think that what you did and continue to do is balanced then someone is playing a huge joke on all of us. I stay away for a couple of days, come back and continually find the forum littered with your posts. That doesn't sound like balance to me, more like obsession and neediness.

It was very germane of Irish to point out that just because I dislike you and she likes the both of us, she shouldn't have to take sides. It really gave me food for thought and I totally agree with her. So for future reference, all those who support Marc, but whom I admire, well my feelings wont change for you.

My point is, stop making yourself out as an innocent party, angel and victim. You are everything but. Sadly you continue to delude yourself however. Go right ahead and push that alarm button Marc, make my day!

[Felix]

Sorry to interupt... Does anyone know where all the wood screws in the road come from? It's getting ridiculous, if i had a penny for every time i found a screw in my tyres i'd be a rich man...

[fanta]

screw... :-#

well, mermaid is right about me..but didnt I write WE, not YOU. I have only posted for a year here, done it to the fullest though. I do think that the discussions run in circles most of the time, but also that Ive learned a lot from being here.I dont think I scare people away from here as people having a need post no matter Im here or not.

I just think its scary ending up on such boards for years, I might do, but it wont be good for me, 1 year plus this Winter, OK who cares? but this Spring I think I should try enjoy life a bit more, getting the best suits, look the best..say something people want to listen to. No one wants to listen to anybody staying all his life on a health board, no one! There are solutions out there, when Ive found them its hasta la vista baby!

[prometheus]

Nice post Mermaid, very on point. marc/fanta and 1000 of his other screen names have been very damaging. I'm pretty content to just sit back and read the posts now without getting involved. Of course I don't pay attention to any of fanta's posts except to point out that they are rubbish. I truly hope everyone here understands not to take any advice from him. But when he insults a nice place that used to be so productive and he had such a large part in ruining. Well, that's hard to swallow. He of course will respond to this post with something silly and stupid, probably a one word answer, this is marc... he has to have the last word. This is his whole life, he needs to feel like he's important.

[fanta]

this is definitely not my whole life, but it could end up being, thats my point! my rosacea is still forgiving and treatable, its hard to control and impossible to get into complete remission. However, complete remission is where I need to go now, and I will with low dose isotretinoin. When this is arranged I can think on other stuff and I will indeed.

[prometheus]

this is definitely not my whole life, but it could end up being, thats my point! my rosacea is still forgiving and treatable, its hard to control and impossible to get into complete remission. However, complete remission is where I need to go now, and I will with low dose isotretinoin. When this is arranged I can think on other stuff and I will indeed.

You've been on here for 3 months. You were banned for a month. You have 600 posts. This is your life.

[fanta]

your life is bad uncontrolable rosacea for years, you obviously dont know what you are dealing with and believe putting baby powder on your nose will help. I prefer my plan with life, not yours! you are here everyday but dont learn, cause learning is enhanced through helping others. I kind of help others to help myself. You just get more and more lost and red with time!

[prometheus]

There is the true marc. Baby powder is not a cure, If i'm flushing, putting baby powder on my face helps to break the insult. It works for me. The one thing I have learned is that different things work for different people.

I have a very happy social and business life, beautiful girlfriend, a successful business and rosacea that doesn't control my life. In fact, you would never be able to guess that I even have rosacea. So enjoy your accutane marc, you started on it early in life, hopefully this time it will help you.

And I joined here a few weeks after you did, but you have 550 more posts than I do. I'm not here every day like you marc, I have a life to live.

[fanta]

but you have milder rosacea than I then, I need to break the circle and baby powder wont do anything to me. If I had mild rosacea, then why should I stay here? life aint over for me, but I cant travel to Paris for a weekend cause I wouldnt tolerate the cold air now, during the Summer I wouldnt tolerate the sun light.

[prometheus]

I guess you're the one who doesn't know what he's dealing with then huh, maybe your the one getting redder and redder, maybe you better try some baby powder.

[fanta]

I know that itraconazole and isotretinoin help. Some antibiotics help against redness, but they dont help against seb derm. Also, I have a tendency to superinfections in the eyelids while on antibiotics. Some of us have conditions very difficult to treat. I dont have a problem paying for laser treatments, but with my seb derm Im worried about them

[prometheus]

distorted facts and false rumors have been produced on a daily basis at ESFB, thats why I dont like it. Ed is actually a reasonable guy, he doesnt want anymore b.s. from anybody. If you start blaiming others and mention certain conflicts, you are out (no one is above his rules). I know there were two trolls at ESFB, one of them with his Danny videos and another Norwegian guy :roll:
I think Ed has had enough of this nonsense now and wont reopen the rosacea section ever again.

Marc, you are so full of crap sometimes.......edit that to all the time!

I really respect and trust the views of Spav, GJ and Bob Bear with regards to the old ESFB and how great it was. I never posted there, content with posting at Yahoo R-S .............. that was until I was contacted by a very influential and respected person amongst the rosacea community, that Marc was concocting the most absurd and ridiculous lies and slander about me and posting it for all to read. To top it all off, he was even co-signing his name little 'Mermaid'. The reason? Marc doesn't need a reason.

So are you going to deny this? This was way before the debunkers. You then decided to use my username (you can change someone's username by adding a fullstop at the end etc, to mimic that person and make it look like it came from the original username) and post complete and utter rubbish to the forum and to others, giving the illusion it was me. You even used my full name 'maria cardone' as one of your usernames. Oh and let's not forget the 'maria loves marc' username. And you didn't just do this to me I'm told.

You had so many usernames, it was a total joke, much like your reputation. Are you going to deny that you had a very large hand in the demise of ESFB? Are you going to deny that you made life hell for alot of undeserving people? I'll never forgive you for dragging me into the whole debunking scandal, which I find disgusting and abhorrent.........much the same way I feel about you.

Now you come onto this forum, boasting of your many supporters, give out medical advice that only a doctor should be doing, and you find that acceptable? I thought we were here to support each other and speak from personal experience, not dish out medical advice, which should only be done by someone's physician.

Then you proclaim 'but isnt it a problem when we get emotionally attached to an internet forum? isnt it a poor substitute for social forums in real life? Somehow I think its about finding a balance'.

If you think that what you did and continue to do is balanced then someone is playing a huge joke on all of us. I stay away for a couple of days, come back and continually find the forum littered with your posts. That doesn't sound like balance to me, more like obsession and neediness.

It was very germane of Irish to point out that just because I dislike you and she likes the both of us, she shouldn't have to take sides. It really gave me food for thought and I totally agree with her. So for future reference, all those who support Marc, but whom I admire, well my feelings wont change for you.

My point is, stop making yourself out as an innocent party, angel and victim. You are everything but. Sadly you continue to delude yourself however. Go right ahead and push that alarm button Marc, make my day!


I agree, I can leave for days and come back and find another 100 useless posts from marc. He can blame everyone else, but he can't look in the mirror.

[fanta]

I dont blame others, but mentioning you dont have anything but mild rosacea doesnt make sense to me. Why stay here if you dont have a problem? is it you not willing to face your problem, or is it OCD?

[nikkitn]

I really don't get it - we all know who Marc is and his predisposition to posting the most ridiculous things. Why do you all feel the need to respond to him? He obviously feeds off your responses and conflict - just ignore the things he writes and all will be well.

[prometheus]

I really don't get it - we all know who Marc is and his predisposition to posting the most ridiculous things. Why do you all feel the need to respond to him? He obviously feeds off your responses and conflict - just ignore the things he writes and all will be well.

I know, I really should just ignore him. I just for the life of me can't understand why they let him even post here. But what I worry about is if someone new comes to the forum actually looking for help. If there is nobody around to point out what a ridiculous person marc is, think of the damage he might do to that person. But you are right, ignoring him is probably the best way to deal with it. Just ignore his posts like 99 percent of the people here already do.

[fanta]

I dont think Im the only idiot here. I dont mind if they ban me, I think they should ban more people instead of making a meta-forum for idiotic discussions. Notice that everytime I say something about psychological impact of rosacea some rosaceans in denial want me out. I think that skin diseases have a psychological impact on everybody coming here, but better deal with rosacea instead of writing about me. For some of you its a psychiatric problem and you pretty much scare me.

If I write 2000 posts in 2 months does this say anything about me, when I wrote my thesis at college it was like 200 pages, 30 pages references, others just hand in 40 pages, 2 pages references. People are different, some are shy and introvert, others arent. Im not introvert, but out-going so I survive from writing like crazy for 1 year or so. I dont want to be a life-long sufferer, but its a waiting game with my rosacea right now. I cant start isotretinoin, but antibiotics are bad for me. I have to get roaccutane 2.5 cause I dont tolerate roaccutan 10. Is this your headache asshole?

[prometheus]

There you go. He just said he doesn't mind if you ban him. Do the world a favor.

[Andy]

fanta, marc, whatever... please, just go, don't you have more respect for yourself than hanging around here where you're not wanted? Clinging on for dear life, it would seem. You're not wanted here, we don't want to help you, we don't need your help, we're not interested anymore.

Nothing you do to treat your rosacea seems to help. Ever heard of bad karma? What goes around comes around.

You and Markus really makes me ashamed of coming from the same part of the world as you. Så dra åt helvete och kom aldrig tillbaka!!!

But the biggest problem in all of this is the moderators. What a joke. What more do you people need to ban someone? Geez..

[fanta]

that sounds good, what about adding the other posters in this thread.
That would be swell O:)

[RedHotCanuck]

Ahh.. the enjoyment of moderator retirement.

\:D/

[fanta]

well, I wont bother you :-#

[Mermaid]

I really don't get it - we all know who Marc is and his predisposition to posting the most ridiculous things. Why do you all feel the need to respond to him? He obviously feeds off your responses and conflict - just ignore the things he writes and all will be well.

Firstly, thank you to Andy and Prometheus for all your support. It is greatly appreciated!

Nikkitn, it is a little more complex than to 'just ignore Marc'. Perhaps if Marc was terrorising someone else, as an objective observer, I'd say exactly what you've said above. The problem lies in that (and I can really only speak for myself here) Marc has harassed me and my family continuously and without provocation for roughly 18 months, way back at Yahoo R-S. As a newbie, I had no idea what was going on and why this man was attacking me and bombarding my email with PMs. About what? Anything, everything and nothing.

I have ignored Marc 99% of the time, knowing that a response would only fuel whatever underlying psychological disturbance he is suffering from. At the end of the day however, when someone abuses you, harasses you, deceives you, spreads dozens of malicious rumours about you, writes slanderous things about you, insults your family (whom he did not even know and didn't even know if they were even alive - yeh that made me feel really good the day I got that one - not!), plays head games with you (he mimicked many of my friend's screen names along with mine and would then send me dozens of PMs. I had no way of knowing otherwise) and so much more which is too tedious to go into, well, yes it kind of does get to you when it is constant and unrelenting. Would I feel different if he just left me alone and was harassing someone else? I'm not sure, although I know without doubt, that I am very protective of my friends, so heaven help him if he should even go there or ever mention my family again.

I have prided myself on helping others. I can't even remember the last time I even asked a question or anything of anyone, so it's a real stab in the heart when idiots like Marc, take the joy out of posting. Like Andy and Prometheus, we all live very rich and full lives filled with beautiful people and what I have learnt is that the only person obsessing over these boards, is Marc. Why do you think I had my photo removed from this site? Not hard to work that one out.

Please bear (no pun intended Bob) with me here because I feel that this is important to say and I am absolutely sure that you are reading this Marc, so listen up. There are currently more revenge sites on the internet than ever before. Now this isn't just about revenge or hate sites but individuals harassing and abusing other individuals also. Sadly, it seems a nice bottle of Merlot, a tub of icecream and a good bitch session with your pals, just doesn't cut it anymore as a way to let go, move on and get over it.

In Australia, stalking or harassing someone using any telecommunications device, is a federal offence, as is hacking. This is no threat, just a statement of fact which has seriously been contravened by Marc with regards to myself. Luckily for me, I like to retain my dignity and so choose to do nothing as far as any sort of 'action' goes. A life ban from all rosacea sites would be punishment enough in my books and a good dose of bad karma.

Just remember Marc, people who invest a lot of energy into really hurting another person, are actually doing more damage to themselves in the long run. Doing something illegal or getting obsessively caught up in anything isn't a good idea and very uncool. You've got to think 'How much time am I wasting on this, and what does it say about me?' I think we all know the answer to that one.

I don't wish what I have had to endure from Marc on anybody. Not all of us are as selfish as you Marc. Many of us take time out of our busy schedules as I do, to help others and pass on our personal experiences and support. That's not 'obsession' as you would put it, but pure compassion, an emotion unfamiliar to you. You'd much rather that the focus be on you or one of your endless conversations with yourself. I just want you to go away, so that the rosacea community can once again become a fantastic place to share, support, vent, but more importantly, a place where we can respect each other without fear of judgement, abuse or harassment.

[fanta]

Mermaid, why do you write so much about me when I rarely mention your name? how many times have I written about you publically or written to you in private?
I honestly dont know what is your problem, and why you have to keep on mentioning me if you dont like me. I dont really care for real, but whats the purpose of the plus 40 lines?

[All In]

I dont think Im the only idiot here. I dont mind if they ban me,

Is this your headache *censored*?

[fanta]

Grady I love you, give daddy a kiss :P

[Mermaid]

Mermaid, why do you write so much about me when I rarely mention your name? how many times have I written about you publically or written to you in private?
I honestly dont know what is your problem, and why you have to keep on mentioning me if you dont like me. I dont really care for real, but whats the purpose of the plus 40 lines?

You know what Marc? I'm done with you and your lies. You love twisting the blame onto others so you don't have to acknowledge your own guilt. You even had to post a link to a description of 'paranoia', alluding to the fact that everyone else has the problem, not you. Your selective memory astounds me. You ask about the purpose of my 40 lines? Perhaps it would serve you well to analyse the purpose of your unbelievable 636 posts.

Of course I am not upset with you guys (Mike and BB). You've both been fantastic towards me.

As a result of all that has transpired, I have officially asked for the termination of my account (If I knew how to do it myself, I would lol!)

I would like to wish everyone well and may you all have a safe and beautiful christmas. I hope to cross paths with you somewhere else along our respective journeys xx

[fanta]

merry christmas mermaid, im the only nutcase here! OK! ](*,)