Yogurt & Seb Derm

[Bonnie]

Ok I know this sounds stupid but here goes. Yogurt is suppose to be a natural cure for women with yeast infections. If seb derm is caused by yeast then wouldn't yogurt also work on the face?

I am not suggesting to wear it all day but you could put it on as a mask for a few minutes then wash it off.

Does anyone have thoughts on this?

[Buster]

I dont think it will be very helpful for your seborrheic dermatitis.
I say this because the biggest problem is sebum production and over active immune defense and hormones.
But anyways, yoghurt is not a good delivery vehicle, so the active stuff in the yoghurt will not reach into the skin to where it can be effective.

I do not think there are simple solutions like this for seborrheic dermatitis. If there was, seborrheic dermatitis would not be a problem.
I have read that crude honey applied topically can be better than placebo for seb derm, and I think there might be something in that since honey contains a lot of active substances and the propolis in the honey is one of the most potent anti biotics in nature.
Aloe vera I have read also can be helpful.

Of those three I think a pure aloe vera gel will be the best choice.

But I will put my money on the CCC from dermadoctor or a similar good topical lotion any day (well, there are not too many good topicals , but the CCC is one of them)

[Jordan]

I dont think it will be very helpful for your seborrheic dermatitis.
I say this because the biggest problem is sebum production and over active immune defense and hormones.
But anyways, yoghurt is not a good delivery vehicle, so the active stuff in the yoghurt will not reach into the skin to where it can be effective.

I do not think there are simple solutions like this for seborrheic dermatitis. If there was, seborrheic dermatitis would not be a problem.
I have read that crude honey applied topically can be better than placebo for seb derm, and I think there might be something in that since honey contains a lot of active substances and the propolis in the honey is one of the most potent anti biotics in nature.
Aloe vera I have read also can be helpful.

Of those three I think a pure aloe vera gel will be the best choice.

But I will put my money on the CCC from dermadoctor or a similar good topical lotion any day (well, there are not too many good topicals , but the CCC is one of them)

Over-active immune system? I thought that seb derm was an immunodeficiency disorder, that is, an innate, acquired, or induced inability to develop a normal immune response. That's why around 85% of HIV(human immunodeficiency virus) patients have seb derm. Does anyone know for sure?

[Bonnie]

Hi Buster,

It is wishful thinking on my part to hope that something as simple as yogurt could be helpful.

I keep hoping that one day someone will find a cure for rosacea and seb derm and it will be as simple as taking an aspirin.

[Bradley]

Well taking an aspirin doesn't cure anything, like virtually all western medicine it just masks the symptoms and furthermore puts great stress on your liver.

When it comes to treating seb derm it is best to avoid western medicine because the topicals are so harsh and can cause especially long term/permanent damage to your skin. And anyway, again western medicines just tries to cover up the problem; it doesn't attack the underlying cause.

It is much safer to treat seb derm from a natural/holistic point of view and you are much more likely to gain long term benefits from doing so.

Firstly you need to assess what is causing the underlying problem. Ruling out candida albicans is a good start. Try taking extra virgin coconut oil, caprylic oil, olive leaf extract and garlic all for one week each in rotation so as the yeast does not build up an immunity against these natural anti-fungals. At the same time you need to avoid all refined, processed, hydrogenated and pre-packaged foods as well as high carbohydrate foods like pasta, rice, noodles etc. because the yeast love these type of foods. The optimum diet would be one high in fruit, vegs (no potatos), fish, white meat and nuts/seeds.

After following the above for 1-3months including the supplements, you can follow up with a parasite cleanse that mostly consist of Black Walnut Hulls as well as other ingredients to kill any problem causing organisms.

Now your body has removed the bad yeast, it is time to rebuild it with the good microbes. Avoid buying store-shelved probiotics that are on the whole pretty useless. You need to make your own. You should start drinking Kefir, Kombucha Tea and Apple Cider Vinegar. These three items will replenish your system totally with probiotics and maintain a healthy intestinal flora which is what you ideally want. The first two items can be made easily at home while the ACV can be store bought but should be organic and "with mother".

If you don't see any improvements with this then you it's likely you have an underlying hormonal problem that needs rebalancing. But it would be surprising if you didn't see any improvements as the above method is extremely powerful and has been used for centuries.

[fanta]

Ok I know this sounds stupid but here goes. Yogurt is suppose to be a natural cure for women with yeast infections. If seb derm is caused by yeast then wouldn't yogurt also work on the face?

I am not suggesting to wear it all day but you could put it on as a mask for a few minutes then wash it off.

Does anyone have thoughts on this? Do women put yogurt up their...?

[fanta]

Now the big thing in Italy is cometic chocolate, people go to spas to be covered in chocolate infused with vitamins and other stuff

[Bonnie]

Thanks Bradley for all the info. I am pretty sure my main problem is hormonal and also stress related.

A couple of days ago I got very mad and about blew my top. The next day my face looked horrible and still does. Hopefully it will be better in a couple of days.

One natural thing that I have been trying is the extra virgin olive oil. I use it every night after washing my face. I can't believe that it hasn't made me break out but it hasn't. The big surprise is that it doesn't make my face oily. It seems to sink in and leaves your skin softer. I have been using it for a couple of weeks and I think that it is helping the seb derm a little. I also use it on the top of my hands and they don't look as dry. I think that I will bath in it, haha.

Someone asked me the other day what I had done because they said that I looked rested. I thought well maybe it's the olive oil.

I never get my hopes up anymore because I know what works this month or week probably want the next.

Take care.

[Bonnie]

Ok I know this sounds stupid but here goes. Yogurt is suppose to be a natural cure for women with yeast infections. If seb derm is caused by yeast then wouldn't yogurt also work on the face?

I am not suggesting to wear it all day but you could put it on as a mask for a few minutes then wash it off.

Does anyone have thoughts on this? Do women put yogurt up their...?

Yep that is what I have read.

[Bradley]

Yes women can/do apply yoghurt in that area because it contains probiotics. The only problem with yoghurt is that the number of probiotics is relatively small and normally big name brands don't even have any "live" bacteria at all so it is pointless in the end.

Kombucha Tea, Kefir and ACV are far better because they contain both "live bacteria" (the probiotics) and also the relevant microbes to create the right environment for them to live in (the prebiotics).

An analogy for the yoghurt method would be like trying to remove water with buckets from a boat that has a hole in it. You can remove as much water as you want but it's still going to fill up again. Patching the hole up would be what the prebiotics do.

Anyway even if it doesn't solve the problem, it's still great for your overall health and extremely cheap :)

Bonnie, the olive oil will moisturise your skin so it will help reduce flakiness but it won't do anything for redness. Rose Hip Oil is by far a better oil to use because it contains essential fatty acids, vitamin e and vitamin a which are great for healing the skin.

Have you tried using a small amount of tea tree oil because it has good anti-fungal properties so that might help as well.

[Bonnie]

Yes women can/do apply yoghurt in that area because it contains probiotics. The only problem with yoghurt is that the number of probiotics is relatively small and normally big name brands don't even have any "live" bacteria at all so it is pointless in the end.

Kombucha Tea, Kefir and ACV are far better because they contain both "live bacteria" (the probiotics) and also the relevant microbes to create the right environment for them to live in (the prebiotics).

An analogy for the yoghurt method would be like trying to remove water with buckets from a boat that has a hole in it. You can remove as much water as you want but it's still going to fill up again. Patching the hole up would be what the prebiotics do.

Anyway even if it doesn't solve the problem, it's still great for your overall health and extremely cheap :)

Bonnie, the olive oil will moisturise your skin so it will help reduce flakiness but it won't do anything for redness. Rose Hip Oil is by far a better oil to use because it contains essential fatty acids, vitamin e and vitamin a which are great for healing the skin.

Have you tried using a small amount of tea tree oil because it has good anti-fungal properties so that might help as well.

I used to use tea tree oil on pimples years ago. I don't remember why I quit using it.

Do you buy the Rose Hip Oil at health food stores? And is it safe for the face?

[Bradley]

Do you buy the Rose Hip Oil at health food stores? And is it safe for the face?

Yes definitely buy Rose Hip Oil from a good quality health food store, not a mainstream one. This way you are much likely to get a good quality product with all the nutrients present and unrefined. Of course it's most definitely safe for the face, they even use Rose Hip Oil in hospitals on burn victims because it promotes skin healing :)

A note on tea tree oil: you have to be careful because some preparations are too strong and irritate the skin so don't buy a concentrated one.

[Buster]

Hi.
Bonnie, I didnt mean to take your hope that yoghurt would be beneficial away, nothing would be greater than for yoghurt to be effective.

I concur with the idea of eliminating simple carbs and trans and saturated fats from the diet. I would also stop using too much vegetable oil.

I do think that diet can improve seb derm, but I also think there are hormonal issues. The problem with the diet approach is obvious, and meanwhile we are waiting for a topical or a pill that will close to cure any seb derm.

best wishes

[Bonnie]

Hi Buster,

I will still try the yogurt one day just to experiment. I agree about diet affecting our face. I have been on a low carb diet for about 3 years now mainly to control my weight. I haven't noticed any certain thing that makes my seb derm worse. But too much salt definately breaks out my face.

I went to see my dr a couple of months ago and he gave me some steroid cream. I told him that I thought people with rosacea shouldn't use this. He told me that my kind of skin was ok for it. I should have asked him to explain but didn't.

I have to admit that I use it every now and then. I know that I shouldn't but can't help it. It is like being an addict trying to give up drugs.

[Bradley]

He told me that my kind of skin was ok for it.

Grrr doctors are so bloody stupid...no kind of skin is ok for steroid cream, it's :evil:

I have to admit that I use it every now and then. I know that I shouldn't but can't help it. It is like being an addict trying to give up drugs.

Bonnie I understand it is addictive because it works BUT YOU MUST QUIT IT COMPLETELY! You could cause permanent damage to your skin like skin atrophy if you continue with it. Permanent thinning of the skin is not worth it! The more you use it the more spider veins/capillaries will start becoming visible on your skin which is awful. And finally the steroid cream will further induce rosacea if you don't already experience that. If you do then it will progress onto the next stage.

I don't want to come across too strong but it really needs to be said when we are talking about steroid creams.

They really should be banned!!!!!!

[Bonnie]

Hi Bradley,

I have the visible spider veins/capillaries. The first time that I had them removed by laser was about 7 years ago. Back then my insurance paid for it. I still don't understand why insurance companies don't cover these procedures. He told me that they would come back in about 5 years and they did. I had more removed just recently. He recommended that I come back every year to have them removed.

Maybe he wants me to use the steroid cream so that my skin will get worse and I will keep coming back to get laser treatments. That would mean more money for him. Surely a doctor wouldn't do that.

Honestly he does seem to be more interested in his cosmetic procedures than anything else.

I have been using low does steroid creams off and on for over 20 years. Old habits are hard to break!

[Bradley]

Bonnie, please don't tell me the doctor that carries out your laser treatments to remove these spider veins/capillaries is the same one that gives you steroid cream?

If that is true then it is truly shocking :shock: !

Clearly he has got you in a vicious circle to keep extorting money from your pocket. Which medical reason does he base his judgement on constantly prescribing you steroid cream? Oh dear Lord that is insane, corrupt and evil!

I have been using low does steroid creams off and on for over 20 years. Old habits are hard to break!

My heart dropped when I read that. Twenty years using steroid cream!? The main reason your skin is the way it is is due to all this steroid cream.

For the sake of saving your skin from permanent damage if that hasn't been done already because twenty years is a long time, you must stop using this stuff. There are natural alternatives that don't have side-effects comparable to steroid creams.

Realistically speaking there won't be much skin left if you continue using it because it is being constantly thinned.

Bonnie please reconsider this, search the internet to see what the long-term side-effects of steroid creams are and what other methods you can try that are much much safer. As soon as you stop you need to start rebuilding your skin with nutrients before you can start killing off any seb derm yeast.

I really hope you can take this into consideration because it is an important issue. Again I apologise for my directness but I don't want you to damage your skin!

[Bonnie]

Hi Bradley,

Yes it is the same doctor. The very first derm Dr that gave me steroid cream years ago told me not to use it all the time. He warned me that it would thin my skin. So most of the time I only used it on spots and not all over my face. When I did use it all over it was only for a couple of days maybe a couple times a month. One bottle of Hytone will last me 2 or 3 years. The creams usually expire before I can even use half a tube. So I have tried to be very careful about using it.

Most of my visible veins are on the side of my nose and cheeks. I always thought that the ones of my nose were caused from smoking. I smoked for almost 20 years.

My derm Dr. told me the veins were caused from having rosacea.

I am very upset with him right now and think that I need to go back to him so that he can explain himself to me.

Bradley do you know how long the steroid creams stay in your system? Like if I used it for a couple of days and then waited a few days would my skin renew or shed along with the cream or does the steroid accumulate?

[Bradley]

Yes it is the same doctor.

:( not good!

I smoked for almost 20 years.

Bonnie, health is a human beings' priority. It should be put in front of all other desires, luxuries and addictions. I can guarantee that rosacea will start making you change your lifestyle. For me, acne totally changed my habits.

I used to eat junk food and drink a lot of alcohol because doctors told me there was no link between diet and acne. I regret the days I believed them for my own idle wants. If I had adopted my current healthy diet (that cured my acne) much earlier in my teenage years I believe I would not be in the position today dealing with rosacea, blushing and flushing. I would not have had to use all those abrasive creams and chemical peels that did so much underlying damage to my skin :(

Amazing as it is, a doctor can save a life and heal your body but can't heal your skin.

I am very upset with him right now and think that I need to go back to him so that he can explain himself to me.

Don't waste your time, he clearly doesn't care about your skin, rather he just wants to line his fat pockets. You do not give a patient steroid creams to use for many years. I would either sue him or report him to the Dermatologists' Head Council.

Bradley do you know how long the steroid creams stay in your system? Like if I used it for a couple of days and then waited a few days would my skin renew or shed along with the cream or does the steroid accumulate?

If you do a search on google regarding the exact mechanism of steroid creams I'm sure it will be enough for you to stop using them. It is extremely hard for the skin to heal itself post prolonged steroid cream usage as they are such powerful medications. It depends on strength, length of usage, dose and other variables especially liver health.

For your body to heal itself you need to provide it with the right environment and nutrients to do so. Without these necessities it can't heal if it is always fighting new problems.

...Look after yourself :)

[Jordan]

It took me about 6-8 months for my skin to get used to being steroid free again. It would of probably taken longer and with less visible improvement if it wasn't for the ACVWM diet.

[icuraus_cat]

Yogurt, of course, doesn't cure seb derm, but it is soothing and calms down inflammed skin. What I do is that I mix plain yogurt (organic), green tea powder, honey, flour (non-bleached), and aloe vera gel. After gentle exfoliating, I put this on my face and leave 20-30 minutes. It doesn't hurt, or sting, but very soothing. I don't expect instant result, but in the long run, I think I can see some benefit. Honey has been known good for skin disorder, too, so, go for it.

[Jordan]

Well taking an aspirin doesn't cure anything, like virtually all western medicine it just masks the symptoms and furthermore puts great stress on your liver.

When it comes to treating seb derm it is best to avoid western medicine because the topicals are so harsh and can cause especially long term/permanent damage to your skin. And anyway, again western medicines just tries to cover up the problem; it doesn't attack the underlying cause.

It is much safer to treat seb derm from a natural/holistic point of view and you are much more likely to gain long term benefits from doing so.

Firstly you need to assess what is causing the underlying problem. Ruling out candida albicans is a good start. Try taking extra virgin coconut oil, caprylic oil, olive leaf extract and garlic all for one week each in rotation so as the yeast does not build up an immunity against these natural anti-fungals. At the same time you need to avoid all refined, processed, hydrogenated and pre-packaged foods as well as high carbohydrate foods like pasta, rice, noodles etc. because the yeast love these type of foods. The optimum diet would be one high in fruit, vegs (no potatos), fish, white meat and nuts/seeds.

After following the above for 1-3months including the supplements, you can follow up with a parasite cleanse that mostly consist of Black Walnut Hulls as well as other ingredients to kill any problem causing organisms.

Now your body has removed the bad yeast, it is time to rebuild it with the good microbes. Avoid buying store-shelved probiotics that are on the whole pretty useless. You need to make your own. You should start drinking Kefir, Kombucha Tea and Apple Cider Vinegar. These three items will replenish your system totally with probiotics and maintain a healthy intestinal flora which is what you ideally want. The first two items can be made easily at home while the ACV can be store bought but should be organic and "with mother".

If you don't see any improvements with this then you it's likely you have an underlying hormonal problem that needs rebalancing. But it would be surprising if you didn't see any improvements as the above method is extremely powerful and has been used for centuries.

Are you getting this information from somewhere? If so, could you please give me a link?

[Bradley]

Yogurt, of course, doesn't cure seb derm, but it is soothing and calms down inflammed skin. What I do is that I mix plain yogurt (organic), green tea powder, honey, flour (non-bleached), and aloe vera gel.

All those ingredients are great if they are raw, fresh and have "live" bacteria EXCEPT for flour. Be very careful with flour because it is a major no-no for any seb derm sufferer. Icuraus why have you added flour, surely the honey will "glue" it to your face?

[Bradley]

Well taking an aspirin doesn't cure anything, like virtually all western medicine it just masks the symptoms and furthermore puts great stress on your liver.

When it comes to treating seb derm it is best to avoid western medicine because the topicals are so harsh and can cause especially long term/permanent damage to your skin. And anyway, again western medicines just tries to cover up the problem; it doesn't attack the underlying cause.

It is much safer to treat seb derm from a natural/holistic point of view and you are much more likely to gain long term benefits from doing so.

Firstly you need to assess what is causing the underlying problem. Ruling out candida albicans is a good start. Try taking extra virgin coconut oil, caprylic oil, olive leaf extract and garlic all for one week each in rotation so as the yeast does not build up an immunity against these natural anti-fungals. At the same time you need to avoid all refined, processed, hydrogenated and pre-packaged foods as well as high carbohydrate foods like pasta, rice, noodles etc. because the yeast love these type of foods. The optimum diet would be one high in fruit, vegs (no potatos), fish, white meat and nuts/seeds.

After following the above for 1-3months including the supplements, you can follow up with a parasite cleanse that mostly consist of Black Walnut Hulls as well as other ingredients to kill any problem causing organisms.

Now your body has removed the bad yeast, it is time to rebuild it with the good microbes. Avoid buying store-shelved probiotics that are on the whole pretty useless. You need to make your own. You should start drinking Kefir, Kombucha Tea and Apple Cider Vinegar. These three items will replenish your system totally with probiotics and maintain a healthy intestinal flora which is what you ideally want. The first two items can be made easily at home while the ACV can be store bought but should be organic and "with mother".

If you don't see any improvements with this then you it's likely you have an underlying hormonal problem that needs rebalancing. But it would be surprising if you didn't see any improvements as the above method is extremely powerful and has been used for centuries.

Are you getting this information from somewhere? If so, could you please give me a link?

Basically I got fed up with western medicine a few years back when it comes to treating seb derm so all that info I provided is based on my research through holistic and naturopathic sites on the net. Jordan just do a search and you will find the info you need. I don't think there is one site that covers all that but you never know.

[Strive]

So, back to yogurt...what about taking acidophilus? Or, better, yet, is there any way to apply acidophilus topically, other than using yogurt?