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drnase
14th September 2005, 03:14 AM
Hi Group,

I get a lot of questions about rosacea treatment at medical spas or by estheticians. Very few are geared towards dealing with rosacea and many times just keep 'angry face syndrome' going in a vicious cycle.

I want to thank Ruth Padilla for forwarding me this interesting excerpt about a potential esthetic treatment and/or take home treatment device.

We use ultrasound all the time in medicine and biomedical research, so I am quite familiar with what it does, how it does it and why it might help. Below is a very good article that holds up to scientific rigor based on the theories. Very interesting to see how this progresses.

Issue Date: February 2005, Skin Inc Magazine


Advance Ultrasound Treatment for Skin


Christine Heathman


The frequency resonance hypothesis aspires to increase healthy skin cells with the treatment of non-thermal levels of ultrasound. With more than four decades of research and recent findings describing the effects of non-thermal therapeutic levels of ultrasound at the cellular and molecular levels, skin care specialists are beginning to consider incorporating this advanced mechanical modality tool for results-oriented skin treatments.

What is ultrasound?

Ultrasound, a cutting-edge technology, utilizes low-frequency sound waves in a three-stage system for safe mechanical exfoliation, molecular penetration and healing micro-amp therapy to combat aging skin, reduce wrinkles, clear acne, manage rosacea and control hyperpigmentation, in addition to many other skin challenges.

Skin types and skin tones of all types benefit from ultrasound. In fact, clinical studies have established that ultrasound can increase the efficacy of certain skin treatments by as much as 10,000 times. The most obvious extrinsic changes can be seen with acne grades, rosacea and Glogau 3- and 4-aged skins that exhibit the most obvious visual clinical morbidity. The rapid response time for skin will vary due to genetics. However, because ultrasound has the ability to support cellular repair, increase collagen and elastin, hydrate the skin and kill bacteria and viruses, dramatic results are seen and felt even after the first treatment.

The frequency resonance hypothesis provides two possible biological mechanisms that may alter protein function as a result of this absorption. Absorption of mechanical energy by a protein may produce a transient conformational shift that modifies the three-dimensional structure and alters the protein’s functional activity. The resonance or shearing properties of the sonic wave may dissociate a multi-molecular complex, thereby disrupting its function. In addition to removing the damaged micro-thin cell layers of the epidermis, the cavitation stimulates lymph nodes that, in turn, assist in detoxifying connective tissue to promote healthy skin.

Aging skin, acne, rosacea and hyperpigmentation are linked to inflammation. Medical research data provides examples in which exposure of cells to therapeutic ultrasound under non-thermal conditions modified cellular functions. Non-thermal levels of ultrasound modulate the cell membrane, alter cellular proliferation and increase production in proteins associated with inflammation and injury repair. The data suggests that non-thermal effects of therapeutic ultrasound can modify the inflammatory response, thus providing a friendlier environment for cells to reside.
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Sonophoresis

The second phase of ultrasound treatments initiates sonophoresis that uses ultrasonic frequencies to help transfer substances of high molecular weight throughout the skin. Low-frequency ultrasound just above the range that is audible to the human ear enables dissolved gases in liquid regions between skin cells to bubble and move, clearing toxins caused by free radical activity. The sonophoretic action creates pathways into the skin, allowing specific molecules to enter. Using low-frequency ultrasound—sound waves oscillating at a rate above 20 kilohertz—is essential.

Obtaining healthy skin can be achieved only with healthy cells. Working inside out, therapeutic ultrasound produces a combination of non-thermal effects, such as acoustic streaming and cavitation, which are difficult to isolate in other ways. Acoustic streaming results from the physical force of sound waves that are capable of displacing ions and small molecules. The mechanical pressure produces unidirectional movement of fluid along and around cell membranes.

Conclusion

Ultrasound treatments provide a safe, effective treatment for skin tones that are color blind to all ethnic blends. This mechanical method exacts results by increasing the bioavailability of antioxidants, providing spas with a substantial advancement for treating skin of color. The procedure kills bacteria and viruses, but, unlike with microdermabrasion, there is little pain, inflammation or irritation.

A skin care tool that can be utilized in the treatment of all skin types and conditions is a valuable resource in the esthetic environment. Introducing ultrasound for use in medical spas, skin clinics, skin care centers, destination and treatment can improve treatments and programs. As science continues to progress and reveal more ways to fight aging, acne and hyperpigmentation, one thing is certain—ultrasound is here to stay.

drnase
14th September 2005, 03:26 AM
What else might it do:

1. Remove dry skin and patches of seb derm

2. Clear pores deep down to clear those follicular plugs

3. Possibly -- the best ultrasound devices may be able to open up the volcano tops of sebaceous gland hyperplasia (possible)

4. Deep moisturization with sonophoresis -- down into the dermis

5. BOTOX in a carrier gel -- uniform delivery system??????

DukeCity
4th December 2005, 04:10 AM
Haven't heard of any Spa or Clinic using this, has anyone?? - but it sounds incredible. And sounds non-evasive, painless and has instant results..

YankeesRtheBest
5th December 2005, 02:39 PM
I found a place in New York that uses ultrasound, although I don't know anything about them or their experience with rosacea and acne patients. Anyways, here is the website..

http://www.lenoxhillspa.com/acnefacial.html


**PS- Does anyone know what ultrasound can specifically do for roscaea? Is it as effective as getting IPL or other laser treatments??

Thanks. -Chris

marecki
10th December 2005, 05:52 PM
it sounds like this treatment could please bready barrow croud of rosaceans with skin problems but do very little to rosaceans like me with nervus system/blood system disorder , am i wright ?

fanta
10th December 2005, 06:12 PM
blood system disorder? what do you mean?

marecki
10th December 2005, 06:19 PM
well , how else could one explain this very diskomforting warmth/ face burning and yet my hands (and often feet) feel sooooo cold

fanta
10th December 2005, 06:51 PM
I would call it Raynaud's phenomenon cause thats what it is. Rosacea gets worse from this --but you dont need to have rosacea to get the blood vessels in your nose affected from this. Its 5-10% of the general population that gets it

http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/raynaud/ar125fs.htm

cheers =;

marecki
11th December 2005, 06:18 PM
[quote="fanta"]I would call it Raynaud's phenomenon cause thats what it is....../quote]

sorry fanta i'm perfectly aware of what Raynaud's phenomenon is , but i dont think it applys to my case , besides that is the least of my problems

my main problem is red cheeks/nose but the worst is getting attacks of warmth/burning in my face and by than of course cheeks /nose and ears turn burgundy , some what appropriate for the seson , but i'll pass on this privlige :)

DukeCity
11th December 2005, 06:56 PM
Chris,
If that salon is near you, can you give 'em a call or stop by and find out if they've treated anyone with rosacea?? - See if they have any positive results - sounds very interesting..

lafittevillage
11th December 2005, 09:34 PM
well , how else could one explain this very diskomforting warmth/ face burning and yet my hands (and often feet) feel sooooo cold

My hands and feet are often icy cold too. Everyone always asks why they are! One guy even told me to eat more veggies because that would help! : (

IowaDavid
11th December 2005, 11:04 PM
You may have Raynaud's. It's kind of common to have a co-existing disorder (I have Raynaud's also, several other members do as well).

David

orangehorizon
20th March 2006, 08:52 PM
So anyone tried the ultrasound devices? Any results/ lack or results? Please specify the device settings like frequency, intensity = power per square centimeter, pulse shape (continuous sine wave, rectangular pulse or whatever).

claudia
20th March 2006, 10:15 PM
So when will this new ultrasound treatment become more widely available? Where can we find out more?

Sounds almost too good to be true...something that works effectively, quickly and not damaging to the body.

Dr Nase --- can you give us more info about this?

Thanks.

Callien
21st March 2006, 02:47 AM
Claudia,

If you go to MSN citysearch you can type in your city and get a list of the best of dining/spas/nightlife, etc. It will give you a list of websites of spas in your area that you can contact. Someone at one of the spas might know more. Citysearch also has customer reviews and ratings which is nice.

Eric
21st March 2006, 08:34 AM
hmm, not sure if this is the same thing as ultrasound but i just got a bio-resonance therapy last night. My generalist here is into this kind of stuff and she hooks me up to that machine everytime i see her. My skin is usually quite good for a few days afterwards....and i sleep like a baby...perhaps regular use would keep my skin under control...i will ask her about it as she doesn't use it for skin but rather to restore energy levels in the body and reduce stress levels....


http://www.biopulse.org/bioresonance.html and more info if you google bio-resonance therapy...

orangehorizon
21st March 2006, 08:22 PM
'Bio-resonance therapy' has nothing to do with ultrasound. From the description on the web page you posted, it sounds like total fantasies or at least it is an area where quantitative methods are aparently not developed.

Eric
22nd March 2006, 10:37 AM
Let's not jump too quick to conclusions here. Fantasy is not the appropriate wording for something that clearly works for me on some level. I didn't bring it up as a cure for Rosacea or even something for skin problems, simply as a treatment that makes me feel better (in a similar way to accupuncture when i had it) and that seems to have some impact on my skin for a few days afterwards.

Callien
22nd March 2006, 05:08 PM
What helps with relaxation can have an effect on the skin. I know stress is listed as one of our triggers. That one always makes me laugh. Just avoid all your triggers and you'll be fine. Now if I could just get my insurance company to pay for several massages each week. They're great stress relievers and my skin looks much better afterward.

Felix
31st March 2006, 09:44 AM
Eric,

did the accupuncture help with your symptoms? I had thought that rosacea skin is very sensitive and prone to getting broken veins.

Eric
31st March 2006, 04:55 PM
hi,
yes acupuncture did help me last year. I was on it for about 5 months and by the end of it, i had forgotten that i had rosacea. Now, i also changed my diet around that time and had a pretty stress free summer. So, it could have been many things that put my rosacea in recession. One thing is for sure, and that is acupuncture helped me through some rough times by making me feel much better overall. If i could put it this way, the Rosacea doesn't like it when we feel good in our minds. It is so important for us to stay positive if we want to beat it. And acupuncture clealry helps with that part. I have just started again this week...let's see...i am trying so many things, something's got to work!
eric

Eric
31st March 2006, 05:01 PM
sorry i just realized that i didn't answer the 2nd part of your question. But i am actually not sure i understand it. Are you refering to needles in the face? I actually very very rarely got needles in the face. Only once or twice. i hear it is becoming more popular and a new field is emerging called cosmetic acupuncture or something like that....But usually traditional acupuncture is based on the assumption that something in your body (your liver, your lungs, your stomach....) is out of synch and responsible for whatever you have. So it is about treating these problems and the energy points for these are rarely in the face (i think). Anyway, the needles are so thin and the experience so painless, i really don't think any facial skin would be damaged by these needles...

Karla
31st March 2006, 05:16 PM
I found a place in New York that uses ultrasound, although I don't know anything about them or their experience with rosacea and acne patients. Anyways, here is the website..

http://www.lenoxhillspa.com/acnefacial.html


**PS- Does anyone know what ultrasound can specifically do for roscaea? Is it as effective as getting IPL or other laser treatments??

Thanks. -Chris

Did you ever try the ultrasound treatment or find out any more about it?

Thanks!

Felix
31st March 2006, 05:25 PM
thanks for the promising report eric,

i will leave this on the back burner for a while as i believe i have the sort of skin that will react badly and leave red dots on my face, but i don't know unless i try so this is defo one for the future.

thanks again.

orangehorizon
9th May 2006, 02:20 AM
I bought ultrasound massager from ebay, $70. I tested it for one week (7 sessions of 15 mins on 'high' intensity). The calculated 'high' intensity is at most 0.5W/cm^2 and the frequency is 1MHz.

It did absolutely nothing for my enlarged pores and slight redness/capillaries (prerosacea). One person on another forum bought a machine from germany for $500. She was claiming fantastic results - 'orange skin pores' became 'invisible'. When I examined the 'before' and 'after' pics she sent me, the pores looked exactly the same, not even diminished. It was either wishfull thinking on her part of just marketing.