SD is difficult to deal with

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

I have tried Nizoral, Loprox, Elidel, Protopic, Steroid.... and
Minocycline. All not working well for me. Nizoral cream made
it worse. :( Now I am trying Pau D'Arco? Anyone has
experience with it?
:P Winnie

[ian]

Hi Winnie - I totally understand your frustrations with SD. I've tried all those treatments as well - with minimal success. Currently my regimen of 10mgs per day Accutane, daily Ovace facial wash in SD areas, and spot treatment with Elidel is keeping me almost 98% clear. Once every week or two I can see a tiny spot or to trying to crop up - and I immediately use Elidel on it and it'll go away by the next morning.

[RedHotCanuck]

Winnie,

Do you have Seb Derm on your scalp? The first time I used Nizoral I felt that it wasn't working so I stopped. About a month ago I tried it again, and I realized it needed time to work. After about 3 weeks on it, it cleared it up about 80%.

These medicated shampoos need time .. they don't work very quicly, but when they do .. they do.

[Tamara]

I had used Olux Foam on the SD on my scalp for a long time. I quit using it about two months ago and my scalp has improved a lot! The next time I see a doc I'll have to ask for a prescription for Nizoral shampoo and see if that helps.

Tamara

[Jordan]

Winnie, I would strongly suggest going to here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/seborrheic-dermatitis-support/

and read about it and give it a thought.

I have sd + rosacea and this helped my skin very very much, even now that im not on the regimen.

[Winnie M]

Hi Ian,

Thanks a lot for your response!! I am glad you have found something working well for you. I used Elidel before, it somewhat helped but
could not clear it up. Now I am living in Canada, my derm refused to prescribe Accutane and he doesn't know about Ovace wash, what a
moron! I asked the pharmacists and they also know nothing about
it. I learned it from Dr. Nase's post long time ago.

Best wishes

Hi Winnie - I totally understand your frustrations with SD. I've tried all those treatments as well - with minimal success. Currently my regimen of 10mgs per day Accutane, daily Ovace facial wash in SD areas, and spot treatment with Elidel is keeping me almost 98% clear. Once every week or two I can see a tiny spot or to trying to crop up - and I immediately use Elidel on it and it'll go away by the next morning.

[Winnie M]

Hi RedHotCanuck,

Thanks a lot for your response!! Yes, I have seb derm on my scalp.
I had used Nizoral shampoo for a long time and it helped about 30%.
I like its smell, anyway. Loprox shampoo helped about 60%, it's too
expensive (needs prescription) and it only worths if 100% clear-up.
I am taking Pau D'Arco and it seems helping my scalp; no result on
my face yet, too early to tell.

Best wishes



Winnie,

Do you have Seb Derm on your scalp? The first time I used Nizoral I felt that it wasn't working so I stopped. About a month ago I tried it again, and I realized it needed time to work. After about 3 weeks on it, it cleared it up about 80%.

These medicated shampoos need time .. they don't work very quicly, but when they do .. they do.

[Winnie M]

Hi Tamara,

Olux is a topical corticosteroid. According to the info' I got, "treatment
with OLUX has caused reversible adrenal suppression. Therefore, treatment with OLUX beyond two weeks is not recommended and
total dosage should not exceed 50g per week." You did the right
thing not sticking to it forever :P . Yes, you can try Nizoral shampoo
or other non-steroid anti-fungal shampoo.

Best wishes


I had used Olux Foam on the SD on my scalp for a long time. I quit using it about two months ago and my scalp has improved a lot! The next time I see a doc I'll have to ask for a prescription for Nizoral shampoo and see if that helps.

Tamara

[Tamara]

Hi Winnie,

Thanks for the info. I definitely used Olux foam longer than two weeks...I hope any possible damage has been reversed by now.

Tamara

[Winnie M]

Hi Jordan,

Thanks a lot for your suggestion!! I am glad it fits you well.

A friend gave me the vinegar treatment instructions and I tried it,
needed to put the acvwm on the hair and face for the whole day,
without rinse. I could not stand the smell. That time I went
out, my neighbour put her hand on the nose, "What stuff do you
wear on your body, such a strong unpleasant smell? What's wrong
with you?" The smell of acvwm is much stronger than regular vinegar.
I have to go out for work, I can't stay at home all day. I was forced
to quit after 2 days, the strong smell on the hair stayed there for at
least 4 days even I shampooed hard every day afterwards.
I definitely like to soak myself into acvwm if I don't need to go out
for work.

Best wishes


Winnie, I would strongly suggest going to here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/seborrheic-dermatitis-support/

and read about it and give it a thought.

I have sd + rosacea and this helped my skin very very much, even now that im not on the regimen.

[Winnie M]

Hi Tamara,

You are welcome. There are 3 "a" in your name - You
will be fine fine fine.

Good luck


Hi Winnie,

Thanks for the info. I definitely used Olux foam longer than two weeks...I hope any possible damage has been reversed by now.

Tamara

[Winnie M]

I tried topical Nizoral, Loprox, Canesten, Elidel, Protopic, low to medium strength steroids. Elidel somewhat helped, medium strength steroid worked better than Elidel but the result gone while quitting it, so did
Elidel. Used each of the above for 2 months, had used Elidel 3 months. I of course dare not use steroids forever, used each steroid for 3 weeks (actually too long; the derm said I can use it everyday for long-term without thinning my skin but I don't trust that). All topicals just could not do the clear-up job, although docs and derms said my seb derm is very mild. My derm refused to prescribe oral anti-fungal or Accutane to me, only let me try Minocycline for 1 month, no good result.

I take good bacterial supplement and grape seed extract everyday. I have cut down sugar and junk food fo 1 year. I tried one bottle of Boswellin, got red bumps on my chin and after some months it is still there. Took liver cleaning combo, got rash on my ab and the doctor wanted me to stop taking it. Tried 3 months milk thistle, no good result and no side-effect. Applied neem oil and tea tree oil, each for 2 months: no response.

Now I am trying pau d'arco. See if I can win the battle or not. This "very mild" bug is so difficult to deal with. "Rosaceans" have Dr. Nase, Dr. Soldo .... If there is a disease exchange, I'll trade my seb derm in for rosacea, haha.

[cantfakereality]

Have you tried vinegar or something similar? I did once and it seemed to work, the acidic environment is probably the culprint.

[Winnie M]

Hi cantfakereality,

Thanks for your response!! Yes, I tried it for 2 days.

A friend gave me the vinegar treatment instructions, needed to put the acvwm on the hair and face for the whole day, without rinse. That time I went out, my neighbour put her hand on the nose, "What stuff do you wear on your body, such a strong unpleasant smell? What's wrong with you?" The smell of acvwm is much stronger than regular vinegar. I have to go out for work, I can't stay at home all day. I was forced to quit after 2 days.

Best wishes


Have you tried vinegar or something similar? I did once and it seemed to work, the acidic environment is probably the culprint.

[Buster]

I a 27, from NOrway.
I developed this tiny red rash on the side of my nose after using an azelaic based acne cream and being under mental stress for some time, this was in high school at 17-18. Doc prescribed anti-fungus creams anc corticosteroids but it didnt work. That would not be the way to reverse it.

But then the year after I went to the army, and got an acne problem, and was given tetracykline (antibiotics) andf y seb der became VERY angry and inflamed. Needless to say this was a very bad thing for me, my vanity was not the only thing to suffer.
This remained a big problem for a couple of years, used a natural lotion y dermatologist gave me, it worked a little, but the real problem is of course sebum output and acne, so I took accutane, andf this has killed off my acne for the most part, and also helped my seb derm-. I went on a low dose accutane regimen july 2004-desember, 10 g 3 * week and it was effective, at the sae time I used Elidel. Both had side effects, I work out a lot, and accutane gave me aching joints, aching back and so on, and the Elidel congested my nose and gave me nausea.
So I went off and back to Cutanix sensitive skin. It worked ok. I used it nights and then a couple of hours before getting out in the morning and then washing my face before leaving home. Cutanix does make the skin greasy, so I didnt like to leave home with it on.
I did go to Brasil for 1 month in Januray/feb, and I can tell you right now that airplanes is DEATH for y skin. It is really bad. I not sure why, but the air pressure, stress and so on really aggrevates the skin.
Took a cpouple of days to calm the skin down after that. And the FOOD ON THE PLANES??Man, I dont think even pigs should eat it. (:

Anyways, a month ago I started taking Creatine Supplement and Whey protein powder to aid my workouts (I run and do strenght exercises) and because I wanted to prepare better for a mountain run in October, but let e tell you, CREATINE gave me acne over night, I have not had any acne since getting off accutane, but I even got a kind of acne/cold sore in my nose. I think it set y DHT levels out of whack. The acne was not cystic or anything, but still I had to go off these supplements. Then I went home to my parents on vacation last week, and ate a lot of food that I have not eaten for a long time, like cheese (pizza), sheep ribs (meat-saturated fat) and also lots of fruit and some sugar.
This was not good.
I normally eat NO sugar and no dairy except a low fat sour milk (almost organic, since I know what the cows here in Norway are fed) and no red meat. This is also because I do it for my sport, but I think a good diet is good for the skin over time. I eat oat meal and whole grain bread. Fish, vegeatbles, spelt grain pasta, blueberries, organic eggs. This is a diet that satisfies me. I have NO belief in eating things you do not like. A diet that does not satisfy is a recipie for binge eating=disaster (not like the tsunami or anything, but still, it is a personal thing, and MY life.


Now I am using the Dermadoctor Cool, Calm and Corrected, it is good for me. Dermadoctor says tests show it reduces DHT by 63 %. Other than that I use the Dermadoctor Tease Zone Gel to prevent sebum.
I have also been taking 3 * 400 mg of Boswellia pr day for 6 weeks, I am not sure how well it reduces sebum, perhaps a bit ore than placebo, but I would not say it is a miracle cure. LOw dose accutane is FAR better.
If anyone have tried the asthma medication Zileuton to reduce sebum, please let us know. (since it was supposed to work as well as low dose accutane)

I have used Head and Shoulders Sensitive SKin for a long time, and I think it is a superior shampoo, it does what it promises (I have not had seb der rashes on y scalp since 1997, so I wouldnt know how it works for that) , basically my seb derm is located to the t-sone area on my face.

Finally, I think we can all agree that seb derm is a condition that can reduce confidence and increase self awareness and basically is a curse that no one will be sad when it finally gets lifted.

BEst wishes and keep your head up and smile.,

Mads, Norway

[Winnie M]

Hi Mads,

Thanks a whole lot for sharing your experiences with us!! I have got back from summer vacation, got a cold last week, now I can jump up and down since the cold has gone. Thank God :D

Yes, I think a good diet is good for the skin in the long term. What I eat is similar with yours, but sometimes I still eat a little bit junk food like chocolates, chips and bakery.

For what I have experienced, the effectiveness rate: #1 Paul D'Arco, #2 Medium strength steroid, #3 Elidel. What is your effectiveness rate?

Are you still using Dermadoctor Cool, Calm and Corrected? Also taking Boswellia? I might try the Cutanix in the future.

Yes, this seb derm is like a curse, we just try our best to beat it down. Clearing my seb derm up is better than winning the lotto :P Your handsome face will look like a movie star when it gets lifted. Take care. You keep smiling all the time too.

Best wishes, Winnie



I a 27, from NOrway.
I developed this tiny red rash on the side of my nose after using an azelaic based acne cream and being under mental stress for some time, this was in high school at 17-18. Doc prescribed anti-fungus creams anc corticosteroids but it didnt work. That would not be the way to reverse it.

But then the year after I went to the army, and got an acne problem, and was given tetracykline (antibiotics) andf y seb der became VERY angry and inflamed. Needless to say this was a very bad thing for me, my vanity was not the only thing to suffer.
This remained a big problem for a couple of years, used a natural lotion y dermatologist gave me, it worked a little, but the real problem is of course sebum output and acne, so I took accutane, andf this has killed off my acne for the most part, and also helped my seb derm-. I went on a low dose accutane regimen july 2004-desember, 10 g 3 * week and it was effective, at the sae time I used Elidel. Both had side effects, I work out a lot, and accutane gave me aching joints, aching back and so on, and the Elidel congested my nose and gave me nausea.
So I went off and back to Cutanix sensitive skin. It worked ok. I used it nights and then a couple of hours before getting out in the morning and then washing my face before leaving home. Cutanix does make the skin greasy, so I didnt like to leave home with it on.
I did go to Brasil for 1 month in Januray/feb, and I can tell you right now that airplanes is DEATH for y skin. It is really bad. I not sure why, but the air pressure, stress and so on really aggrevates the skin.
Took a cpouple of days to calm the skin down after that. And the FOOD ON THE PLANES??Man, I dont think even pigs should eat it. (:

Anyways, a month ago I started taking Creatine Supplement and Whey protein powder to aid my workouts (I run and do strenght exercises) and because I wanted to prepare better for a mountain run in October, but let e tell you, CREATINE gave me acne over night, I have not had any acne since getting off accutane, but I even got a kind of acne/cold sore in my nose. I think it set y DHT levels out of whack. The acne was not cystic or anything, but still I had to go off these supplements. Then I went home to my parents on vacation last week, and ate a lot of food that I have not eaten for a long time, like cheese (pizza), sheep ribs (meat-saturated fat) and also lots of fruit and some sugar.
This was not good.
I normally eat NO sugar and no dairy except a low fat sour milk (almost organic, since I know what the cows here in Norway are fed) and no red meat. This is also because I do it for my sport, but I think a good diet is good for the skin over time. I eat oat meal and whole grain bread. Fish, vegeatbles, spelt grain pasta, blueberries, organic eggs. This is a diet that satisfies me. I have NO belief in eating things you do not like. A diet that does not satisfy is a recipie for binge eating=disaster (not like the tsunami or anything, but still, it is a personal thing, and MY life.


Now I am using the Dermadoctor Cool, Calm and Corrected, it is good for me. Dermadoctor says tests show it reduces DHT by 63 %. Other than that I use the Dermadoctor Tease Zone Gel to prevent sebum.
I have also been taking 3 * 400 mg of Boswellia pr day for 6 weeks, I am not sure how well it reduces sebum, perhaps a bit ore than placebo, but I would not say it is a miracle cure. LOw dose accutane is FAR better.
If anyone have tried the asthma medication Zileuton to reduce sebum, please let us know. (since it was supposed to work as well as low dose accutane)

I have used Head and Shoulders Sensitive SKin for a long time, and I think it is a superior shampoo, it does what it promises (I have not had seb der rashes on y scalp since 1997, so I wouldnt know how it works for that) , basically my seb derm is located to the t-sone area on my face.

Finally, I think we can all agree that seb derm is a condition that can reduce confidence and increase self awareness and basically is a curse that no one will be sad when it finally gets lifted.

BEst wishes and keep your head up and smile.,

Mads, Norway

[Buster]

Tell me about Paul D`Arco. I never heard about that.
Oh, I just checked it. I thought it was some guy named Paul who had a cosmetic line.
Please tell me how this supplement helped you, darling. Are you taking it now? Do you take it in capsule form or topically? I see that it orally has anti fungal effect on par with ketoconazole. Sounds good.
Im not sure if it is even available here. Aybe you can send me some?

I find Elidel effective, too.
I think low dose accutane combined with a topical is what has worked best. I have started taking 2-2.5 mgs pr day now, been on that for 2 weeks.

I have discontinued Boswellia, it had no effect that I could seperate from placebo.
The CCC is good. I rate it a bit above Cutanix. But I think it is a bit expensive, and also I dont believe what they say that it reduces DHT by 63 %.
What seperates cutanix and ccc from Elidel is that Elidel I found gave me a bit nausea, and also conjested nose.

[Winnie M]

Hi Mads,

I mistyped it Paul D'Arco last time, actually it's called Pau D'Arco, not get used to the word pau :D I heard its name from Dr. Nase's post, then I browsed the web sites and read the PDR and knew that it has potent anti-fungal effect. I had finished one bottle of capsules. Stopped it while I got a cold. Will take another bottle next month. You can order it from Tunies.com or other sites. I rarely go to the vitamin stores now since online shopping has better price and more selections. It reduces the oil on my nose and somewhat helps but not clearing the seb derm up yet. I think Accutane is the answer and glad it works well for you.

Take care and good luck, Winnie

[Yvonne]

Hi Jordan,

Did you use apple cider vinegar or the one with mother?
How long did it take to see the result?

Thank you

Yvonne


Winnie, I would strongly suggest going to here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/seborrheic-dermatitis-support/

and read about it and give it a thought.

I have sd + rosacea and this helped my skin very very much, even now that im not on the regimen.

[Yvonne]

Hi Cantfakereality,

How many days did you try the vinegar to see a good result?

Thank you

Yvonne


Have you tried vinegar or something similar? I did once and it seemed to work, the acidic environment is probably the culprint.

[Jordan]

You use Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother (ACVWM). The complete detailed instructions and everything is at the link I posted. The time it takes to see results depends on your type of sd. Some have aggressive sd like mine, others only see outbreaks every now and then. Also, if you have used topical steroids in the past (hydrocortisone cream) then you may go through a steroid withdrawal period. For me I saw results in about 3-4 weeks. Like REAL improvement in skin texture and sensitivity and redness. Many people (in fact most) people who use this cure their skin condition. Good Luck.

Jordan

[Buster]

Could you not tell us how you used the Apple Cider Vinegar? It shouldnt be too complicated. Just apply it to the face twice a day or something.
Did this cure seborrhea or did it just help remove flakes and infections?

There should be no reason to copyright this information to a news group.

What I also noticed is that there is a diet involved, which basically involves not eating fried food, bread yeast, sugar, saturated fats, dairy fat.

[Yvonne]

Thanks very much Jordan for your help. You are the butterfly angel.

I had browsed that web site before. But I heard that ACVWM has a very strong smell. Did you have no problem to go out with ACVWM on your scalp and face without rinsing it off all day? Can we apply sunscreen on the face with ACVWM? Did you stop this vinegar treatment after the seb derm redness gone?

Thank you

Yvonne


You use Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother (ACVWM). The complete detailed instructions and everything is at the link I posted. The time it takes to see results depends on your type of sd. Some have aggressive sd like mine, others only see outbreaks every now and then. Also, if you have used topical steroids in the past (hydrocortisone cream) then you may go through a steroid withdrawal period. For me I saw results in about 3-4 weeks. Like REAL improvement in skin texture and sensitivity and redness. Many people (in fact most) people who use this cure their skin condition. Good Luck.

Jordan

[Yvonne]

Hi Buster,

A friend sent the list to me. It's hard to cut them off 100%.

Yvonne

FOODS TO AVOID:

Vitamin E supplements, peanuts, oily foods and fast food, yogurt, bread,
preservatives except for shredded wheat cereal, hot dogs, steaks, fried
chicken, chocolate bars and junk foods like potato chips and other chips,
alcohol, burritos and tacos, macaroni, cheese, pizza, calzones, crackers
and croutons, drinks full of sugar or nutrasweet or sweetners, foods full
of sugar like cakes, cookies, cereals with sugar, french frise and mashed
potato (eat baked potato "without" sour cream or butter, put a healthy
topping on it like fresh salsa), donuts, coffee.


What I also noticed is that there is a diet involved, which basically involves not eating fried food, bread yeast, sugar, saturated fats, dairy fat.

[Jordan]

Could you not tell us how you used the Apple Cider Vinegar? It shouldnt be too complicated. Just apply it to the face twice a day or something.
Did this cure seborrhea or did it just help remove flakes and infections?

There should be no reason to copyright this information to a news group.

What I also noticed is that there is a diet involved, which basically involves not eating fried food, bread yeast, sugar, saturated fats, dairy fat.

Actually, it's not extremely complicated but very delicate and strict. MY regimen was this: DRENCH the acvwm to my face 3 times a day, and drench my hair with it once every two days. Within a week, I had absolutely zero dandruff. The regimen varies from person to person why don't you just go sign up and read for yourself? Yes it is copyrighted information and they actually just had to file a lawsuit against www.refreshedskin.com for using the information on it. The reason it is copyrighted is because Steven, the owner of the group, wants to keep the information totally free and available to everybody.

Yvonne,

ACVWM has an extremely horrid smell. It takes a few days at least to get used to. It was hard to do the treatment because yes, you have to leave it on your face all day and never wash it off of your face, and I mean ever. All you are allowed to do is wash your face with water when you shower. But other than that nothing. I was starting a new job while I was doing the treatment and you just have to swallow your pride and get through with it. My friends always commented on how bad it smelt(not me, the acvwm) because once it has dried on your face then you can't smell it. The seb derm redness was never totally gone, because I ended the treatment prematurely. However, my skin was way less sensitive to all topicals and many of my triggers disappeared. Not to mention my skin texture was much better and the redness had lessened considerably. There has not been one person with "pure" sd that has not completely cleared. There are many, but not all, people with sd+rosacea that have cleared also. The only thing you can do really is try it. It's alot of work, and you have to stick to a strict diet, but I guess it's a test of how bad you really want to clear your skin.

Jordan

[Yvonne]

Thanks very much Jordan. Do I need to delete FOODS TO AVOID in my previous post? I don't know how many percentage my friend had copied from that web site. Is it okay to post FOODS TO AVOID here? Lawsuit is no fun at all.

Thank you

Yvonne

[quote=Jordan] Yes it is copyrighted information and they actually just had to file a lawsuit against www.refreshedskin.com for using the information on it. The reason it is copyrighted is because Steven, the owner of the group, wants to keep the information totally free and available to everybody.

[Jordan]

No you should be alright.

[Yvonne]

Winnie told me the very unpleasant smell of acvwm forced her to stop the vinegar treatment. Jordan also said it has an extremely horrid smell. I will start with apple cidar vinegar without the mother, already bought 1L Safeway acv, it contains 5% acetic acid. I browsed the internet for the acetic acid information. It can be used as insect killer. I will put it on my scalp and face, drink it and try to avoid the unfriendly food. Any experience to share in vinegar treatment is appreciated.

Thank you

Yvonne

[Jordan]

Yvonne I wouldn't even go through it if you're not going to get the apple cider vinegar WITH mother. I'm sure that the mother has a huge act in clearing you sd. As it says, its the ACVWM routine, not the ACV routine.



Jordan

[Winnie M]

Hi Group,

The following was from "A Natural Approach to Dermatitis".

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Ten Ways to Dodge Your Dermatologist

While in college, a friend of mind went to a dermatologist because he had a slight rash. The specialist told him it was dermatitis and issued him a nifty cream to put on it. The visit cost my friend half a weeks pay, and when he came to realize that dermatitis meant itchy skin, he went ballistic. You might be able to save some space in your checkbook, and maybe even some time in the waiting room, with a few of these ideas:

Shampoo less often. If you are troubled by simple but annoying scalp conditions, this is really worth a try before you drop the big bucks on a doctor. A physician I go to for once-a-decade physicals prescribed not one but TWO antibiotics (one topical, one oral) for a chronic scalp irritation. He also recommended a very expensive shampoo and said to use it often. Nuts to that; the condition went away when I simply stopped shampooing every day and went to just once a week.

Use less soap. Not none, but less! I am not suggesting that you become the poster person for vagrancy; just use less of what everybody knows dries out skin. You use soaps and detergents to dissolve grease and oil when you wash your clothes and clean your dishes. We all know that soaps and detergents cut grease. Right! They do the same to your skin, removing the natural moisture, oils and softness that no product can truly replace. A naturopath once told me that one should shower without soap, except for judicious application to personal areas that really need it.

Do not trust sun block. To avoid sunburn, wear loose, cool, comfy clothes instead. Simple, no? You'd be genuinely surprised just how many people still do not realize that the ozone layer is not what it was thirty years ago. More ultraviolet light (UV-B in particular) does in fact now reach us than it did a generation or two ago. You can avoid practically all basal cell and squamous cell carcinoma, the two most common types of skin cancer, simply by putting on some clothes. I like a nice tan as much as the next person, but you simply have to use common sense here. Look: if you were diagnosed even with relatively easy-to-cut-out skin cancer, wouldn't you do just anything to be able to go back and prevent it? Even wear a hat and a shady shirt? Well, now is the time to start.

Switch to more natural perfumes, soaps and deodorants. For this, you may need to stop by your local health food store. There really are many more natural, much more gentle alternatives to the cheap, caustic, common cosmetic chemicals that contribute to creams and other commercial creations' irritation of our skin! (Has the Pulitzer Prize in Alliteration been awarded yet?) I know two people who used to have numerous, small polyp-like growths on their neck and underarms. These were no more than slightly unsightly, yet they were hardly an improvement to the basic birthday suit. In each case, they went away when the one person stopped using anti-perspirant deodorants, and in the other case when the woman stopped putting perfume directly on her skin. Read the label; even some "natural" deodorants are not that natural. However, most are a big improvement for a small cash difference.

Build skin health from the inside out. To have healthy skin, grow it. Your skin is an organ, not exactly like your lungs or heart, but a lot more visible, and a lot bigger, too. Your skin is, in fact, your body's largest organ. Eat more FIBER; try a VEGETARIAN DIET; and how about a few days JUICE FASTING? See for yourself if a healthy inside equals a healthy outside.

CHOCOLATE: Stop eating it. It is no myth but a matter of observable fact that if you eat a good bit of chocolate, your skin will break out. If you cut out the chocolate, your skin will likely improve. Part of this is due to dietary fat; part is due to chocolate itself. Try and see. Hershey's common stock will do well without your help.

Use less skin and hair glop. You'll save a pile of cash, and if you follow the suggestions above, you won't need all that the stuff anyway. I remember a neat Nancy cartoon where she bathed and showered and dried her hair, then covered it with all the sprays, gels, mousses and what have you. She looked in a mirror, realized how yucky her chemical hair was, and went back into the tub to wash it off all over again. Okay, it wasn't the most hilarious cartoon I've ever seen (that, of course, would be the Far Side take on the real reason dinosaurs became extinct). But the point was made nonetheless.

Take your vitamins. Your skin loves vitamin E (internally and externally), the B-complex vitamins, and assorted other nutrients that modern diets so often lack.

Eat more lecithin. Lecithin contains linoleic and linolenic acid, the absolutely essential fractions of dietary fat. As adult Americans try to reduce their fat intake (generally a good idea), no one has told them that they may thereby be creating a fatty acid deficiency. Since the US government and most dietitians just cannot own up to the necessity of food supplements, we had better consider them ourselves. The irritable-skin, dry-skin, broken-skin consequences of long-term linoleic and especially linolenic acid deficiency are probably very common. I eliminated my own psoriasis-like skin problem with just a few days supplementation of three tablespoons of lecithin per day. A few TBL per week keeps it away. No dermatologist needed.

Reduce stress. A personal observation: I was under high stress at one job for about four years, and I noticed four things: 1) my hair got gray; 2) my hair started to come out in the comb; 3) when I started taking more vitamins, the hair stopped coming out; and 4) when I started doing the work I love, my hair stopped graying. In my opinion, I am less gray than I was in 1989. You can look at my untouched photo on this websites main page, marvel at my toupee, guess my age, and email me your answer. The winner will receive absolutely nothing. I am kidding about the toupee; it's all natural.


Reprinted from the book FIRE YOUR DOCTOR , copyright 2004 and prior years by Andrew Saul, 23 Greenridge Crescent, Hamlin, NY 14464 USA



Andrew Saul, PhD
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[Jordan]

Drink lots of water too! 8)

[Yvonne]

Thanks very much Jordan. The info said " About 80% of the people who suffer from "pure" sd can completely clear their sd with heinz brand, kroger or safeway/vons supermarket heated filtered acv and do not need apple cider vinegar with mother." So I tried ACV routine first, almost 1 week now. The smell goes away after 1 or 2 hours, just a little bit smell left and not bothering at all. I apply it on the whole face 2 or 3 times per day and on the scalp once per day. Kind of irritating to the face in the beginning but it is tolerable. I will keep posting how it goes.

Hope all is well with everyone

Yvonne




Yvonne I wouldn't even go through it if you're not going to get the apple cider vinegar WITH mother. I'm sure that the mother has a huge act in clearing you sd. As it says, its the ACVWM routine, not the ACV routine.



Jordan

[Yvonne]

Hi Gerry,

I have used it for one week, too early to see the result, they said it takes 3 to 4 weeks or longer.

Hope all is well with you

Yvonne


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Hello Yvonne

Was recently reading up on the threads concerning SD and was interested in knowing have had any results using the ACV.



All the best gerry

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

The following is from www.whatreallyworks.co.uk Not sure if it really works or not :P

Winnie

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19 Sep 1999: Seborrheic dermatitis


I am 50 years old and have seborrheic dermatitis on my face and eyes. I have been offered long-term antibiotics - but as I have candida, this is out of the question. I know my immune system is already weak and have been taking blue green algae, vitamin B complex and evening primrose oil. I also have an underactive thyroid and take 175mcg of thyroxin daily. What other alternative remedies do you advise?
W. Gosbee, High Wycombe

The candida infection, as you probably know, is causing the dermatitis so you will not get rid of one without tackling the other. Antibiotics, as you rightly point out, are not the long-term solution but the blue-green algae you are already taking is a rich source of iodine and will help support your thyroid while you eradicate the yeast infection.

Jane Waters, an holistic skin specialist, says you need to take zinc (50mg a day) for further immune support and that you must make sure your vitamin B capsules, which will help rebalance the bacteria in the gut, are yeast-free. To repopulate the intestinal tract with the so-called friendly bacteria, which have been depleted by the candida, take a probiotic called Lactobacillus acidophilus. This will also boost your weakened immune system.

To flush the candida bacteria through your system, you need to take a combination of cranberry tablets (you must take tablets not capsules) and citricidal, which is a tincture of antibacterial grapefruit seed extract. You can mail order the latter from Higher Nature (01435-882880) 50ml costs £7.30. For cranberry tablets, call The Nutricentre on 0800-587 2290.

You need to avoid yeast and fermented foods in your diet and eliminate fungus foods such as mushrooms and peanuts, which can carry fungal infections. You will also need to use a detergent-free shampoo. I recommend the Hydrapharm Skin and Scalp formulas from The Alternative Centre (0171-381 2298). It costs £34.85 for the three formulations, which you use together on your scalp and face.

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[Jordan]

Interesting... I do think seborrheic dermatitis is just something wrong with our 'gut' and something to do with an immunodeficiency...

[Karla]

Please pardon if this has already been discussed and the info here useless - that being said - has anyone had success with "probiotics" reducing yeast in the body, gut and other areas? I've used various brands some very expensive, some not, off and on for years, getting minimal but at least some reduction in yeast and recently have ordered some by mail that really seem to make a difference and aren't much more expensive that buying from the health food store. I've also just ordered a different brand that makes a similar claim to "probiotic" superiority plus a benefit to the stomache lining (my ulcer comes and goes) so we'll see if it's any better.

Karla

[Bonnie]

I apologize for asking this if it has already been asked and aswered. Since apple cider vinegar helps some people with seb derm by using topically, wouldn't it also help if you drank it?

Years ago I was told to eat applesauce everyday to help reduce stomach acid. Therory being that reducing the stomach acid would reduce facial breakouts. Maybe applesauce would help with seb derm.

[Jordan]

Yes Bonnie in fact part of the ACVWM diet discussed earlier in the this thread includes drinking, if I recall correctly, 3 or 4 tablespoons of acvwm a day.

Jordan

[Bonnie]

Yes Bonnie in fact part of the ACVWM diet discussed earlier in the this thread includes drinking, if I recall correctly, 3 or 4 tablespoons of acvwm a day.

Jordan

Hi Jordan,

Do you drink it and has it helped you?

[Jordan]

I did not drink it however I did benefit quite extensively from doing the ACVWM routine, and following the diet.

[francois]

Hello guys,,

I have dandruff on my eye brows as well as lose of eye brows. Are they syptoms of seb derm? Do eye brows grow back? What can I do to treat it? I used to put eye moustruriser on my eye brows, it seemed to work. I think I should stick with it. Do you have any idea?

[Yvonne]

Hi Francois,

Seems like seb derm. Do you have redness around the sides of the nose? That is a typical symptom of seb derm. I lost a few eye brows while I applied topical cream on it. I am putting vinegar on it and no more eye brows losing. Seb derm is difficult to treat. I had tried different topicals and not working well, so I try the vinegar. You of course can stick with your moisturizer if it works.

Good luck

Yvonne


Hello guys,,

I have dandruff on my eye brows as well as lose of eye brows. Are they syptoms of seb derm? Do eye brows grow back? What can I do to treat it? I used to put eye moustruriser on my eye brows, it seemed to work. I think I should stick with it. Do you have any idea?

[Yvonne]

Hi Bonnie,

The info I got about drinking apple cider vinegar: Drink 1 tablespoon in a tall glass of water along with a tablespoon of raw honey 2-3 times a day.

Good luck

Yvonne

I apologize for asking this if it has already been asked and aswered. Since apple cider vinegar helps some people with seb derm by using topically, wouldn't it also help if you drank it?

Years ago I was told to eat applesauce everyday to help reduce stomach acid. Therory being that reducing the stomach acid would reduce facial breakouts. Maybe applesauce would help with seb derm.

[Yvonne]

Hi everyone,

I have put acv on my scalp and whole face for 3 weeks, also drink it with honey. My scalp is fine, but my seb derm area and that area between the sides of the nose and the mouth are a little redder than before. I think I will try it for 1.5 to 2.5 more months.

Yvonne

[Jordan]

That sounds normal; if you are not following the ACVWM routine and diet to a 100% "T" then to me it is a waste of time!

[Brady Barrows]

Hi group,

The following is from www.whatreallyworks.co.uk Not sure if it really works or not :P

Winnie

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Dr. Nase made the website! Here is the quote:

"Dr Geoffrey Nase is an American doctor and rosacea sufferer who has spent five years investigating natural remedies. He recommends a form of vitamin C called Ester C, plus grape seed extract; a combination that has excellent anti-inflammatory properties, strengthens the blood vessel walls, and decreases swelling of the affected areas. If you weigh under 150lb, work up to 1,000mg of Ester C and 200mg of grape seed extract, three times a day. Over this weight, aim for 2,000mg of Ester C and 200mg of grape seed extract. (Be warned: high doses of vitamin C can cause temporary diarrhoea.)" source >

http://www.whatreallyworks.co.uk/start/factsheets.asp?article_ID=116

[Winnie M]

Thanks a lot Brady!! I Like Ester C and grape seed extract. Usually I take 500 to 1000 mg Ester C per day. My # 1 effective seb derm treatment is Pau D' Arco and I knew about it through Dr. Nase's post. I am still looking for a more effective seb derm treatment.

Best wishes, Winnie

Hi group,

The following is from www.whatreallyworks.co.uk Not sure if it really works or not :P

Winnie

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Dr. Nase made the website! Here is the quote:

"Dr Geoffrey Nase is an American doctor and rosacea sufferer who has spent five years investigating natural remedies. He recommends a form of vitamin C called Ester C, plus grape seed extract; a combination that has excellent anti-inflammatory properties, strengthens the blood vessel walls, and decreases swelling of the affected areas. If you weigh under 150lb, work up to 1,000mg of Ester C and 200mg of grape seed extract, three times a day. Over this weight, aim for 2,000mg of Ester C and 200mg of grape seed extract. (Be warned: high doses of vitamin C can cause temporary diarrhoea.)" source >

http://www.whatreallyworks.co.uk/start/factsheets.asp?article_ID=116

[Winnie M]

Hi Karla,

Yes I find that probiotics somewhat helps reducing yeast in the body. I like Natrol's Biobeads and recently I try Women's Probiotic Formula from Swiss Herbal which also contains calcium and magnesium.

How are you doing with your new probiotics?

Best wishes, Winnie


Please pardon if this has already been discussed and the info here useless - that being said - has anyone had success with "probiotics" reducing yeast in the body, gut and other areas? I've used various brands some very expensive, some not, off and on for years, getting minimal but at least some reduction in yeast and recently have ordered some by mail that really seem to make a difference and aren't much more expensive that buying from the health food store. I've also just ordered a different brand that makes a similar claim to "probiotic" superiority plus a benefit to the stomache lining (my ulcer comes and goes) so we'll see if it's any better.

Karla

[fanta]

Thanks a lot Brady!! I Like Ester C and grape seed extract. Usually I take 500 to 1000 mg Ester C per day. My # 1 effective seb derm treatment is Pau D' Arco and I knew about it through Dr. Nase's post. I am still looking for a more effective seb derm treatment.

Best wishes, Winnie

Hi group,

The following is from www.whatreallyworks.co.uk Not sure if it really works or not :P

Winnie

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Dr. Nase made the website! Here is the quote:

"Dr Geoffrey Nase is an American doctor and rosacea sufferer who has spent five years investigating natural remedies. He recommends a form of vitamin C called Ester C, plus grape seed extract; a combination that has excellent anti-inflammatory properties, strengthens the blood vessel walls, and decreases swelling of the affected areas. If you weigh under 150lb, work up to 1,000mg of Ester C and 200mg of grape seed extract, three times a day. Over this weight, aim for 2,000mg of Ester C and 200mg of grape seed extract. (Be warned: high doses of vitamin C can cause temporary diarrhoea.)" source >

http://www.whatreallyworks.co.uk/start/factsheets.asp?article_ID=116
Have you tried clarithromycin 500mg 20-40 days or Elidel 3 months? :evil:

Sugar is good! :twisted:

[Winnie M]

Hi fanta,

Yes, I had tried Elidel for 3 months. It somewhat helps but not a big help.

No, I haven't tried Clarithromycin. Does it work well for you?

One man's sugar is another woman's poison :P

Winnie




[quote="fanta

Have you tried clarithromycin 500mg 20-40 days or Elidel 3 months? :evil:

Sugar is good! :twisted:[/quote]]

[Yvonne]

Thanks Jordan. I am doing the routine and diet strictly except that I use ACV (no "mother"). I browsed some web sites about vinegar treatment and they just recommend ACV to treat many health issues, not ACVWM. A friend said that group put the bottle of a particular brand vinegar there because a fee is paid to cover the expense of the web site.

ACV works faster for the scalp than the face. Now it's less irritated on my face.

Yvonne

That sounds normal; if you are not following the ACVWM routine and diet to a 100% "T" then to me it is a waste of time!

[Winnie M]

It seems coffee has more good than harm? haha. I think moderation is the key.

Winnie

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Study Touts Coffee's Benefits

By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID
AP Science Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- When the Ink Spots sang "I love the java jive and it loves me" in 1940, they could not have known how right they were. Coffee not only helps clear the mind and perk up the energy, it also provides more healthful antioxidants than any other food or beverage in the American diet, according to a study released Sunday.

Of course, too much coffee can make people jittery and even raise cholesterol levels, so food experts stress moderation.

The findings by Joe A. Vinson, a chemistry professor at the University of Scranton, in Pennsylvania, give a healthy boost to the warming beverage.

"The point is, people are getting the most antioxidants from beverages, as opposed to what you might think," Vinson said in a telephone interview.

Antioxidants, which are thought to help battle cancer and provide other health benefits, are abundant in grains, tomatoes and many other fruits and vegetables.

Vinson said he was researching tea and cocoa and other foods and decided to study coffee, too.

His team analyzed the antioxidant content of more than 100 different food items, including vegetables, fruits, nuts, spices, oils and common beverages. They then used Agriculture Department data on typical food consumption patterns to calculate how much antioxidant each food contributes to a person's diet.

They concluded that the average adult consumes 1,299 milligrams of antioxidants daily from coffee. The closest competitor was tea at 294 milligrams. Rounding out the top five sources were bananas, 76 milligrams; dry beans, 72 milligrams; and corn, 48 milligrams. According to the Agriculture Department, the typical adult American drinks 1.64 cups of coffee daily. That does not mean coffee is a substitute for fruit and vegetables.

"Unfortunately, consumers are still not eating enough fruits and vegetables, which are better for you from an overall nutritional point of view due to their higher content of vitamins, minerals and fiber," Vinson said.

Dates, cranberries and red grapes are among the leading fruit sources of antioxidants, he said.

The antioxidants in coffee are known as polyphenols. Sometimes they are bound to a sugar molecule, which covers up the antioxidant group, Vinson said.

The first step in measuring them was to break that sugar link. He noted that chemicals in the stomach do the same thing, freeing the polyphenols.

"We think that antioxidants can be good for you in a number of ways," including affecting enzymes and genes, though more research is needed, Vinson said.

"If I say more coffee is better, then I would have to tell you to spread it out to keep the levels of antioxidants up," Vinson said. "We always talk about moderation in anything."

His findings were released in conjunction with the annual convention of the American Chemical Society in Washington.

In February, a team of Japanese researchers reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute that people who drank coffee daily, or nearly every day, had half the liver cancer risk of those who never drank it. The protective effect occurred in people who drank one to two cups a day and increased at three to four cups.

Last year, researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health found that drinking coffee cut the risk of developing the most common form of diabetes.

Men who drank more than six 8-ounce cups of caffeinated coffee per day lowered their risk of type 2 diabetes by about half, and women reduced their risk by nearly 30 percent, compared with people who did not drink coffee, according to the study in Annals of Internal Medicine.

Bonnie Liebman, nutrition director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, said she was not surprised by Vinson's finding, because tea has been known to contain antioxidants.

But Liebman, who was not part of Vinson's research team, cautioned that while many people have faith that antioxidants will reduce the risk of cancer, heart disease and more, the evidence has not always panned out. Most experts are looking beyond antioxidants to the combination of vitamins, minerals other nutrition in specific foods, she said.

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Hi Buster,

A friend sent the list to me. It's hard to cut them off 100%.

Yvonne

FOODS TO AVOID:

Vitamin E supplements, peanuts, oily foods and fast food, yogurt, bread,
preservatives except for shredded wheat cereal, hot dogs, steaks, fried
chicken, chocolate bars and junk foods like potato chips and other chips,
alcohol, burritos and tacos, macaroni, cheese, pizza, calzones, crackers
and croutons, drinks full of sugar or nutrasweet or sweetners, foods full
of sugar like cakes, cookies, cereals with sugar, french frise and mashed
potato (eat baked potato "without" sour cream or butter, put a healthy
topping on it like fresh salsa), donuts, coffee.


What I also noticed is that there is a diet involved, which basically involves not eating fried food, bread yeast, sugar, saturated fats, dairy fat.

[Karla]

Hi Winnie,

You asked earlier about probiotics, here's a link to the brand I really like:http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/c/daily_advantage
You don't have to refrigerate it and it's the only one so far that's made a noticible difference for me.

I think Irishgenes mentioned a "pearl" capsule probiotic which I need to check out because it may be the same product but cheaper (some vitamins like other products come from the same manufacturer but with private labels.)

Sorry to take so long to reply

Karla

[Karla]

Sorry Winnie, wrong link, here's the correct one:
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/c/probiotic_advantage.asp?promo_code=B5I02001&alias_code=69638E

Probiotic advantage is the product name

[Winnie M]

Hi Karla,

Thanks a lot for getting back!!

Dr. David Williams is very knowledgeable about herbs. His magazine is interesting. Probiotic advantage should be a very good product. Now most new probiotics don't need to be refrigerated, but some people said those old-fashioned refrigerate type is more effective. What I have tried is the "new fashioned" ones :lol: since it's more handy.

Take care and have a great autumn! Winnie



Hi Winnie,

You asked earlier about probiotics, here's a link to the brand I really like:
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/c/probiotic_advantage.asp?promo_code=B5I02001&alias_code=69638E

Probiotic advantage is the product name.
You don't have to refrigerate it and it's the only one so far that's made a noticible difference for me.

I think Irishgenes mentioned a "pearl" capsule probiotic which I need to check out because it may be the same product but cheaper (some vitamins like other products come from the same manufacturer but with private labels.)

Sorry to take so long to reply

Karla

[Buster]

Vitamin C will give me acne. I do not recommend it for seborrheic dermatitis.

[fanta]

Seb derm has not so much to do with regular acne, both get worse with oily pores and lobules but its not the same thing

[Winnie M]

Hi Buster,

Vitamin C doesn't bring acne on my face. It doesn't clear up my seb derm
but does no harm to me. What type of vitamin C did you take?

Take care, Winnie


Vitamin C will give me acne. I do not recommend it for seborrheic dermatitis.

[Buster]

I took 3 grams of ester c every day for a week or more, then I reduced the dosage to 400 mgs pr day. I dont know, I seemed to be getting these red acne like pastules on my face.

But it is clear to me from the messages in this forum that vitamin c likely is good at least for rosacea.

Best wishes,

[Winnie M]

Hi Buster,

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with vitamin C!! All bodies are different. Some people find that vitamin C helps their allergy, it seems that you are allergic to it, or maybe that 3 g of Ester C too much in quantity and irritated your skin. In theory, vitamin C does not accumulate and the excess goes out with the urine.

Buster, how do you control your seb derm these days? Hope you are having some improvement. I am still taking Pau D' Arco, it helps about 55%-60%. Not any side-effects so far.

Autumn leaves season, usually winter time is not good for seb derm. Let's hope for a swift healing :lol:

Best wishes, Winnie


I took 3 grams of ester c every day for a week or more, then I reduced the dosage to 400 mgs pr day. I dont know, I seemed to be getting these red acne like pastules on my face.

But it is clear to me from the messages in this forum that vitamin c likely is good at least for rosacea.

Best wishes,

[Yvonne]

Hi group,

I read an ad in Alternative Medicine. This Tetrasil contains silver. Is silver
that good for skin problems? Any harm? ...... [I've just moved it to a new topic]

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

I finished the second bottle of pau d'arco and am trying zinc gluconate. Pau d'arco works
better than Elidel for me. My nose was a bit itchy the day after I stopped to take it. It's
fine now since I take the zinc tablets. Some info' I got suggested we take pau d'arco not
more than 7 days. I did not have any side-effects with it, just want to let my body (especially
my liver) take a break. I bought the zinc in 10 mg, take 1 tablet each time, 3 times per day.
I don't have any problem even if I take it on empty stomach. See how it goes.

Best wishes, Winnie

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

Zinc Gluconate somewhat helps my skin but not as good as Pau D'arco. So far Pau D'arco is the best thing that works for my seb derm. Next week I will start to try Neem capsules see how it works, if the result not so good then I'll try topical CCC and back to Pau D'arco routine.

Hereafter I will post to Yvonne's sub-forum "Non-prescription (topical/oral products) for Seb Derm" instead of posting it here. I lost my interests in prescribed medicine since I found that Pau D'arco working better than Elidel and lots of prescriptions that I used. I might get back to this sub-forum only if I want to take prescription again, still wish for a cure. :lol: Both are seb derm sub-forums, I don't need to post it "here, there and everywhere" :lol: Last night I dressed like the Beatles and sang this song on a stage, the wig made me sneezing, haha.

Best wishes and see you in "Non-prescription (topical/oral products) for Seb Derm", Winnie

[Bradley]

This is a bit out of the blue but was just wondering whether Buster has been on these forums recently since I haven't seen any posts by him for ages. It seems like he's probably got his seb derm effectively under control; I wonder was really helped him the most?

So if your reading this Buster, it would be great to know how things are going and whether you managed to beat down your seb derm...thanks!

[Andy]

This is a bit out of the blue but was just wondering whether Buster has been on these forums recently since I haven't seen any posts by him for ages. It seems like he's probably got his seb derm effectively under control; I wonder was really helped him the most?

So if your reading this Buster, it would be great to know how things are going and whether you managed to beat down your seb derm...thanks!

He's a friend of mine, and he's doing pretty good.

I'll forward your message to him.

[Bradley]

Oh that's awesome, thanks very much Andy :)

[redzone]

Hello all. I too have SD in the areas of the eyebrows and the sides of the nose in addition to rosacea red cheeks. My derm perscribed elidel to use a while back and it seemed fairly good initially but eventually it wouldn't get rid of the stubborn flakes. I also noticed that when i applied it, my eyes would start to sting and water.

Since then I ordered cutanix DDR cream and hands down it has been the best thing to eliminate the SD flakes. It usually stings a bit on application so I only use a tiny bit on the eyebrow and nose area, but it totally clears up the flakes and smooths out of skin.

Anyone else have success using cutanix for SD?

[Karla]

Which formula of the drl are you using? Have you tried the gelee cleanser? Sorry to pelt you with quesitons, but how do you know if you're developing seb derm? I've got alot of white sebum that comes halfway out of the pore, the other half is stuck in. I can actually take a tweezer and pull it out, it's solid but soft. It's in every single pore on chin, on sides of nose and part of cheeks. I'm periodically scrubbing, lightly, to try to remove and then do get flakes which I thought was from the scrubbing. These are usually attached, more like a small bit of skin peeling partly off than a flake that just falls off (when I hear flake I think of dandruff).

Thanks for any imput!

[Buster]

Hi everyone!
It is nice to know that I have been missed. I hope everyone are getting along nicely with the new year.
Well, my regimen has been for some time to use the DRL extra strength version combined with the CCC from dermadoctor in the evening, and in the morning and other times after work outs/showering I use only the CCC. The DRL leaves the skin too greasy but in the evening it is not of any consequence, and seeing that the DRL and CCC address the different inflamation causes differently, I think this is a good approach for me.

Other that that, I eat healthy food and I try to avoid dairy fat and sugar and simple carbohydrates. I do drink skimmed milk, preferrably organic (but here in Norway the cows are fed a lot of grass anyhow, and they do not use growth hormones on the cows, so it is not vital) I also eat a cheese called "gammalost" - translated directly it is "old cheese, but I have heard the term viking cheese also used. This is a cheese made from skimmed milk, so the fat content is 1 %, protein 50 %, and the cheese is fermented by a fungus that is related to penicillin. I think this is one of the most healthy cheeses in the world, and it is a shame that it is only made in Norway (in fact, only one dairy company in norway make it, and the whole production is done in the small fjord village of Vik, Sogn og Fjordane.
I do think this cheese has improved my skin, at least my over all health.
Furthermore, I use Pau d`arco, as the lovely Winnie also does. I think this is a potent product. It is basically just shredded outer layer of an amazon tree, and it is found to have anti fungal properties on par with ketoconazole. It is taken orally in the form of a tea or as capsules or extract. I recommend trying it. It is supposed to have anti-inflammtory properties as well.

Other than these things, I have the last few months taken up winter bathing, so this christmas we swimmed in the Hornindal lake with 10 degrees c below 0. This activity forces the skin to become active because it is exposed to very cold water. I also believe that the body produces cortison when exposed to very cold water, like getting into an ice cold shower in the morning. (note that I find this invigorating, I like it in many ways, and if this is not something for you then I dont recommend forcing yourself to do it against your own will)

Well, I find these things keep my seb derm calm. The worst things for my skin would be smoking, flying in airplanes, stress, dairy cream and soda etc. I also tried Creatine supplementation, and that was very bad for my skin, my sebum output and acne increased over night. Whey protein powders I find have also a negative effect.

Hope this was informative. I would say pau d`arco and CCC and DRL are the number one things.

I also see that Dr Nase have posted that there are new seb der medications on the brink of release.

Best Wishes,

[redzone]

I use the regular strength cutanix dd, although i've tried all versions and they pretty much work the same. If you want a good exfoliant cleaners, you should try a sample of linda sy's gentle oatmeal cleanser. I got a sample of the stuff when i ordered my zinco and it seemed to work pretty well getting rid of the white flakes. Usually the SD is only a problem for me during a few months in the winter which is why i never got a full bottle of the cleanser.

[Eric]

I had my seb derm pretty much under control until last September when a severe period of stress brought it back (and made my Rosacea worse).
I had seen a nutritionist who put me on a strict anti-candida diet (no yeast, fermentation...i could post the full list if you guys are interested). He also put me on the following supplements:
- Mikoplex (Pseudowintera & Aniseed Extract)
- Mycopryl 400 (Caprylic Acid- important to fight yeast in the gut)
- Probiotic
- Hemp oil

This + the strict diet all seemed to have made a difference, even though the intense stress has brought some of it back. I also use Vinegar on occasion on my scalp and around my nose and that seems to control it. I haven't done it long enough to get rid of it completely i think. But one of these days i will try the full vinegar protocol.
I also tried Cutanix recently but it agravated my Rosacea so i stopped...
eric

[Bradley]

Thanks guys for posting your seb derm protocols and thanks Buster for coming back to the boards to recount how you are going on!

Well, my regimen has been for some time to use the DRL extra strength version combined with the CCC from dermadoctor in the evening, and in the morning and other times after work outs/showering I use only the CCC. The DRL leaves the skin too greasy but in the evening it is not of any consequence, and seeing that the DRL and CCC address the different inflamation causes differently, I think this is a good approach for me.

The Cutanix products especially the DRL and Dermadoctor's CCC are beginning to interest me as a way to control seb derm. I'm not entirely sure, however, if the DRL is good at removing flakes AND redness or just the flakes? My main problem is redness on the sides of my nose (nasal labial folds) and I haven't really been able to shift it. The only time the redness seemed to start subsiding was when I took some natural probiotics but good quality active ones are hard to get hold of here in the UK and more to the point they are expensive.

Regarding DD's Calm, Cool and Corrected (CCC) product; I'm not entirely sure what part of the ingredients would be good for attacking the inflammation caused by sed derm that I haven't tried already?

Ingredients: Aqua (Deionized Water), Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Squalane, Butylene Glycol, Petrolatum, Glycerin, PEG-60 Almond Glycerides, Caprylyl Glycol, Nordihydroguaiaretic Acid, Oleanolic Acid, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetyl Alcohol, Pentaerythrityl Tetraisostearate, Acrylates Copolymer, Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Sodium Hyaluronate, Sodium Carbomer, Stearyl Alcohol, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Camellia Sinensis (White Tea) Leaf Extract, Panthenol, Superoxide Dismutase, Lecithin, Matricaria Chamomilla (Chamomile) Flower Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Propylparaben, Methylparaben

And $85 is quite a lot for only 50ml.

I've tried a course of Pau D'arco (Solgar capsules) but noticed no improvement at all unfortunately.

The only thing that has completely removed all signs of my seb derm is steroid cream but there is no chance in hell that I would ever consider using that again. But at least it is 'curable' to an extent. We just need to find something that has extremely strong anti-inflammatory properties...

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

Yvonne (my colleague) and I have been on the road, no chance to log on my computer for many days since I don't have a laptop. About Neem, I took Nature's Way Neem capsules three times a day. At the beginning it worked as good as Pau D'Arco, but I found it not working very well after a few days, I finsihed one bottle, not any side-effects thougjh. I try one thing at a time, I stopped Pau D'Arco when I took Neem. I am trying Moducare.

Winnie, the guinea-pig :lol:

[Jordan]

I had my seb derm pretty much under control until last September when a severe period of stress brought it back (and made my Rosacea worse).
I had seen a nutritionist who put me on a strict anti-candida diet (no yeast, fermentation...i could post the full list if you guys are interested). He also put me on the following supplements:
- Mikoplex (Pseudowintera & Aniseed Extract)
- Mycopryl 400 (Caprylic Acid- important to fight yeast in the gut)
- Probiotic
- Hemp oil

This + the strict diet all seemed to have made a difference, even though the intense stress has brought some of it back. I also use Vinegar on occasion on my scalp and around my nose and that seems to control it. I haven't done it long enough to get rid of it completely i think. But one of these days i will try the full vinegar protocol.
I also tried Cutanix recently but it agravated my Rosacea so i stopped...
eric

Would you please post the full list of your anti-candida diet that your nutritionist put you on? Thanks.

[Eric]

sure. He refered to it as 'Dysbiosis and Gut Fermentation Diet'

NOT ALLOWED:

Cow's milk products, like whey, curds, butter, normal yoghurt, cheese, sour cream, ice cream, buttermiok, sour milk, and all margarines.

Yeast and yeast like substances (mushrooms, fungi), dried fruits, malted products, commercial fruit drinks, citric acid, tinned tomato products, MSG, quorn, vinegar (except Apple Cider), pickles, condiments.

All sugars (honey, maple, molasses, treacle, commercial prepared dextrose, maltose, glucose, sucrose, fructose, sorbitol, etc..)

Citrus fruits, bananas, apples, pears, quinces, strawberries, crabapples, grapes, persimmons and all deciduous fruits (like cherries, apricots, peaches, plums and nectarines).

All fruits & veggies showing bruising or mould.

All peanuts, pistachio, brazil nuts, macademia, pecan, walnuts, hazelnuts, sunflower seeds or oil.

Ordinary tea, spices and dried culinary herbs. Fermented beverages like beers, cider, champagne, ginger beer or ale.

All foods containing wheat, rye, barley (malt), buckwheat, spelt, triticale, and oats (most soya sauces contain wheat).

Cocoa or chocolate in any form. Soda bread.

Malted corn flakes.

Normal Pasta and semolina.


ALLOWED:
Tofu, soya milk, goat or ewe's cheese and milk
Meat, fish, seafood.
Miso (as the fermentation substances in this are attenuated they are no longer harmful).
Mostly tropical fruits and most berries
All veggies except mushrooms
Almonds, cashews, pine nuts, coconut, chestnut.
Olive or corn oil.
Coffee, herbal teas, water
Rice, corn, millet, quinoa

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

Long time no see :lol: Hope everyone is doing great or at least okay.
I tried Moducare earlier this year, it did not do anything for my face so
the seb derm thing probably not from the immune system. I rarely
get a cold, it seems that my immune system is fine. My seb derm is
still there not going away. Pau D'Arco can make it a little better but
that is not great enough, I still have to be a guinea-pig :lol: :(
I am trying Sulfacetamide Sodium.

Winnie

Hi group,

Yvonne (my colleague) and I have been on the road, no chance to log on my computer for many days since I don't have a laptop. About Neem, I took Nature's Way Neem capsules three times a day. At the beginning it worked as good as Pau D'Arco, but I found it not working very well after a few days, I finsihed one bottle, not any side-effects thougjh. I try one thing at a time, I stopped Pau D'Arco when I took Neem. I am trying Moducare.

Winnie, the guinea-pig :lol:

[Buster]

Winnie, hope you are well. You are probsably right that your immune defense is not weak. Check out the post about seb derm and gene mutation. Supposedly, scientist have found the gene for seb derm and it is caused by a mutation of a gene that activates the immune defense.

Im not sure if this is good news or bad news.

[Winnie M]

Thanks a lot Buster!!

Yes, I read the post from Polster. It should be good news, but the problem is we don't know how long we need to wait till the healing product is out on the market. SD is not a serious disease, besides
itching from the beginning I don't feel pain or any discomfort except
the sides of my nose is not good looking :P , but I don't like to live
with them.

Anyway, enjoy this great season :lol: Winnie


Winnie, hope you are well. You are probsably right that your immune defense is not weak. Check out the post about seb derm and gene mutation. Supposedly, scientist have found the gene for seb derm and it is caused by a mutation of a gene that activates the immune defense.

Im not sure if this is good news or bad news.

[Winnie M]

Hi Group,

Has anyone tried GliSODin? Is it good for seb derm skin?

Thanks a lot, Winnie

[cmburn22]

I took 1000mg per day for 3 months and it had no effect on SD symptoms.

[Winnie M]

Thanks a lot cmburn22!! What brand did you take? It seems that rosacea is easier to deal with :lol:

Best wishes, Winnie


I took 1000mg per day for 3 months and it had no effect on SD symptoms.

[cmburn22]

I took the Nutraceutical (NSI) brand. Each capsule was 250mg, so I would take 2 in the morning and 2 at night before bed.

I'm now trying garlic (two cloves perday) to see if this can put a dent in my SD, as nothing I've tried has really had any lasting effect.


Let me know how it goes...

[Buster]

Hi,
Did you ever try low dose accutane? It should be one of the the things that would help. Like 10 mgs every other day or every day.

Depending how bad your seb derm is and how much seborrhea you have, I would say try it.

A good diet also will help a little.

Best wishes,

[Winnie M]

Thanks a lot cmburn22!! I got the NSI GliSODin. It says take 2 capsules daily on the bottle. I browsed the Life Extension web site, it says take it on empty stomach. I started to take 2 capsules 1 hour before my breakfast this morning. Sure I will keep you updated later. And please let us know how garlic works for you too.

I am surrounded by people, so I am unable to use vinegar because of the smell. Not sure if there is any smell from the body after chewing the garlic. Ah, I read an article about garlic mentioning that it is a must to let crusted garlic stay in the air for some minutes so that the good thing inside garlic can be effective - Don't eat it immediately after crusting it.

Best of luck!! Winnie


I took the Nutraceutical (NSI) brand. Each capsule was 250mg, so I would take 2 in the morning and 2 at night before bed.

I'm now trying garlic (two cloves perday) to see if this can put a dent in my SD, as nothing I've tried has really had any lasting effect.


Let me know how it goes...

[Winnie M]

How are you Mads? Are you still using Syed cream?

Derms did not prescribe accutane to me, they all said my seb derm is very mild and I don't need it. Very mild? but it stays there for so long and has no sign to disappear yet although I tried so many stuffs patiently and followed the instruction like a school kid. So far I don't want to get accutane online, because not sure if those are real or fake without the prescription. My sebum is not bad, all those I used control the sebum quite good, but both sides of my nose are a little red and swelling - that should be caused by stubborn inflammation plus fugus.

Hope the second round of accutane works great for you then you don't need to take the third round. We are having long weekend here, the weather should be still nice enough there.

Best of luck!! Winnie


Hi,
Did you ever try low dose accutane? It should be one of the the things that would help. Like 10 mgs every other day or every day.

Depending how bad your seb derm is and how much seborrhea you have, I would say try it.

A good diet also will help a little.

Best wishes,

[Buster]

Hi Winnie,
I am not using the Syed cream. I found I have to stick to cutanix and CCC. However, the last months, or this summer, my seborrhea and seb derm got worse, so I had to get back to low dose accutane. I do not like this one bit. I am seing a new derm this tuesday, so I will see what he says. I hope he has some kind of accutane replacement that works as well. On the other side, I have been on 10 mg accutane for 8-9 days, and it has started to work. So that is the good part. The bad part is it affects my mood (maybe imaginary - but still) and it makes me less interested in working out, which is half my life.

So I will have to see what happens. Maybe I will lower the dose to 10 mg every other day. That is better for my body.

Best wishes Winnie
Mads

[Winnie M]

Hi Group,

GliSODin did not help my SD. It might help some people with Rosacea.

Take care everyone, Winnie

[Buster]

Hi Winnie,
Do you still use pau d`arco. I found after using it for 8-9 months that I suddenly got small acne breakouts when using it, so I had to stop. Maybe my kidneys had had enough of it? Or my system in general?
Anyways, I do think it was somewhat helpful the while I used it.

If you still use it and you can tolerate it, I can suggest you also try Olive Leaf Extract. It has very powerful anti-viral and anti-fungal properties, maybe even more so than pau d`arco. Unfortunately, my skin broke out when using it, too.

best wishes
Mads

[Winnie M]

Thanks a whole lot Mads!!

I paused it just to take a break for the liver. I did not have any problems
with it. Now I am trying a new oral system for my body. Will use Olive leaf extract or Pau d'arco again two months later. The small acne you got
might be from other stuffs you took at the same time since you did not have side-effects with pau d'arco for 9 months. Wish those DNA genes thing on seb derm will be available sooner than we expect.

Have a fun halloween (not my favourite day though :lol:) and a very nice winter Mads. Winnie


Hi Winnie,
Do you still use pau d`arco. I found after using it for 8-9 months that I suddenly got small acne breakouts when using it, so I had to stop. Maybe my kidneys had had enough of it? Or my system in general?
Anyways, I do think it was somewhat helpful the while I used it.

If you still use it and you can tolerate it, I can suggest you also try Olive Leaf Extract. It has very powerful anti-viral and anti-fungal properties, maybe even more so than pau d`arco. Unfortunately, my skin broke out when using it, too.

best wishes
Mads

[Winnie M]

Hi group,

I tried garlic and lemon juice each for 2 months. Unfortunately both ARE NOT working for me, not any tiny improvement. Winnie

[Yvonne]

Hi there,

I am taking Oregano oil, it starts to help and I don't get any bad response.

[Bichon]

Hi Yvonne,

I have SD also, Elidel seem to help with the redness and itchness. So how much Oregano oil are you taking? I'll try Dr. Syed's cream next.

Thanks.

[Yvonne]

Hi Bichon,

Thank you for your response. Many doctors said Elidel is good for
SD, I tried it and it only helped a little bit, it's expensive. I am
taking Nature's Way Oregano oil capsules one a day. It helps
a little like Elidel does but it's much cheaper. Also it heals up my
hay fever 90% which is a big bonus.

I heard that Dr. Syed's cream is good for rosacea, not sure it
can help SD or not. Have you asked Dr. Syed about it?

Best regards,
Yvonne



Hi Yvonne,

I have SD also, Elidel seem to help with the redness and itchness. So how much Oregano oil are you taking? I'll try Dr. Syed's cream next.

Thanks.

[Yvonne]

How is everyone doing? Bichon disappeared? Hope he can tell us
if it works or not.

Time flies. Can't believe it's 2008, Seb derm has been with me
for that long. Seems like not any breakthr', no laser for us.

I have been trying many stuffs, so does my colleague Winnie.
Unfortunately haven't found anything really works yet. Please
post your new discovery. I start to use Clear Skin 2 and it's quite
good, will let you know when I finish the 0.5 oz.

Take care and hope to hear from you all. Yvonne

[Yvonne]

Hi everyone,

I am pleased to report Clear Skin has been working well for me,
so far it's the best thing for my seb derm.

Take care,
Yvonne