Best Micronized Zinc Oxide Sunblock for Rosacea

[drnase]

In 2001, SkinHealth came out with a revolutionary new sunblock that contained the finest micronized zinc oxide and multiple anti-inflammatory ingredients in liposomes. Superoxide dismutase is key, so are Coenzyme Q-10 and Green Tea in liposomes. It swept all the major awards as the best sunblock. It costs $50. Now Citrix has copied it ingredient for ingredient and cut the price down to $18. This is the best sunblcok I have ever tried. It feels great, calms the skin down and actually makes you want to put a sunblock on. Tops on my list.


Citrix - Citrix Antioxidant Sunscreen SPF 30 - 3.5 oz.

Specially formulated with Micronized Zinc Oxide to provide the highest level of broad spectrum protection in combination with a rich blend of free radical quenching antioxidants consisting of Liposomal Vitamin A, C, E, Green Tea Extract and CO-Q10. This oil free formulation provides up to 30 times the natural protection from sunburn that your skin provides.

Ingredients:
Active Ingredients- Zinc Oxide 7.0%, Octyl Methoxycinnamate 7.5%

Also Contains- Purified Water, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Laurylmethicone Copolyol, Cyclomethicone, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Polyacrylamide, Ceresin, Green Tea Extract, Phospholipids, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Coenzyme Q10, Ascorbyl Glucosamine, Superoxide Dismutase, Laureth-7, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea.

[domo2727]

dr. nase,
Thanks for the update. Where can this sunscreen be bought? Is there a website or can it be bought in stores such as CVS, etc. Thanks so much!

rob

[RedHotCanuck]

Type Citrix Antioxidant Sunscreen into Google (http://www.google.com) and you'll come up with a listing of online stores that you can purchase it from.

Like:

http://www.dermstore.com/product_Citrix+Antioxidant+Sunscreen+SPF+30_3993.h tm
http://www.dermselect.com/citansunspf3.html

Mike

[tryingtogetoverit]

Will definitely have to check this out.
Ingredients don't look too bad at all!

Orion

[Andy]

Sounds good! But is it anything like Linda Sy's ZincO, being tinted and covering redness? That's one of the main reasons I use ZincO, to effectively cover blemishes and redness.

[drnase]

Andmag,

I would say the inherent nature of the micronized zinc oxide tones down the skin by about 25%. You can also make up your own version with a little experimenting -- mixing in the new dimethicone liqiuid makeup (like 5 or six drops and then you can match any skin tone. The women love this one because it looks so natural. Linda Sy's Zinco is great and I helped her formulate it, but for men or some women, you dont want perfect coverage and flawless skin (I know that sounds funny) because depending what light your in it will look fake if it is perfect or smooths everything out because skin has many different natural tones to it, not just one color across the board. By the way the 'lights of death" (e.g. that make you look the wost) are (1) fluorescent lights and (2) sunlight from noon to 3 pm (you look better in the morning until 11 AM when red hues come through and after 4 pm when the red hues come back -- sort of like looking at yourself in your own car mirror at night when the car in front of you has its red brake lights on -- this literally erases rosacea.

ON a funny personal note, when I had my severe red rosacea, I was dating someone I really liked, but was still trying to understand what I had. I learned very quickly to never see her during the day and I found this VERY romantic lake with red hues from distant buildings, etc. It toned me down to normal. The red ARBY's fast food sign also does a great job (the funny things you learn). I have been contemplating making hand held ARBY's signs to give to rosacea sufferers to carry with them throughout the day. LOL. Sorry, I know some of you are really hurting right now, but every once in a while you just have to laugh at how utterly ridiculous this disorder is. Keep whatever sense of humor you have and learn a few little tricks like I did above.

Do I have any buyers for little ARBY's signs??????????? I am so freakin tired what am I doing up at 4:37 AM. I need a life.

[Ghost]

Wow, Dr Nase, Love can make a person so creative! I had no idea about the Arby's sign. Nor about the optics/physics of morning and evening light. That's very interesting. Thank you for that.

[Max]

Type Citrix Antioxidant Sunscreen into Google (http://www.google.com) and you'll come up with a listing of online stores that you can purchase it from.

Like:

http://www.dermstore.com/product_Citrix+Antioxidant+Sunscreen+SPF+30_3993.h tm
http://www.dermselect.com/citansunspf3.html

Mike

wow, $69.90 for international shipping of a single suncream... ridiculous...

https://www.skinstore.com ---> they charge only $14 for international shipping

[Ghost]

Max, what country are you in?

A french lab has a great sunscreen: Photoderm Max. It's 100 spf. you can google up "photoderm Max" for more info.

[Max]

Max, what country are you in?

A french lab has a great sunscreen: Photoderm Max. It's 100 spf. you can google up "photoderm Max" for more info.

thank's, but i'm always afraid of such extraordinary spfs, cause the have to use a lot of other chemical agents to get it up that skyhigh...

[Ghost]

That's the thing about this, Max. It's a really mild, non-reactive, elegant (meaning no greasies) creme. It's formulated for people who have ipl, but it's useful for anyone with sensitive skin.

I'm finishing up my second or third tube now. I use it when I vacation in the tropics and then in the summer in the city. A tube will last me 2 years this way. (I've heard that sunscreens are good for 3 years from purchase.) Also, there are two formulations, one for oily skin and one for normal/dry/sensitive.

[Bob Bear]

Do I have any buyers for little ARBY's signs??????????? I am so freakin tired what am I doing up at 4:37 AM. I need a life.

Haha, yep you and me both! Thanks for the heads up, I'll see if i can locate some of this stuff closer to home (the suncream that is :wink: ).

Hopefully a UK distributor will take this on.

[adyus]

Hey guys. If you're interested, I found the website of the company that develops citrix and replenix and some other stuff... This is it:
http://www.topixpharm.com/

Max....thanks a lot for the website. 60-80$ shipping was killing me!

Oh....almost forgot...: I want an ARBY sign, can I buy one from your website, dr.Nase? :lol:

Damn...just got bit by a huge mosquito...wonder if it has rosacea now? :twisted:

Cheers,

Adrian.

[evy]

Andmag,

I would say the inherent nature of the micronized zinc oxide tones down the skin by about 25%. You can also make up your own version with a little experimenting -- mixing in the new dimethicone liqiuid makeup (like 5 or six drops and then you can match any skin tone. The women love this one because it looks so natural. Linda Sy's Zinco is great and I helped her formulate it, but for men or some women, you dont want perfect coverage and flawless skin (I know that sounds funny) because depending what light your in it will look fake if it is perfect or smooths everything out because skin has many different natural tones to it, not just one color across the board. By the way the 'lights of death" (e.g. that make you look the wost) are (1) fluorescent lights and (2) sunlight from noon to 3 pm (you look better in the morning until 11 AM when red hues come through and after 4 pm when the red hues come back -- sort of like looking at yourself in your own car mirror at night when the car in front of you has its red brake lights on -- this literally erases rosacea.

ON a funny personal note, when I had my severe red rosacea, I was dating someone I really liked, but was still trying to understand what I had. I learned very quickly to never see her during the day and I found this VERY romantic lake with red hues from distant buildings, etc. It toned me down to normal. The red ARBY's fast food sign also does a great job (the funny things you learn). I have been contemplating making hand held ARBY's signs to give to rosacea sufferers to carry with them throughout the day. LOL. Sorry, I know some of you are really hurting right now, but every once in a while you just have to laugh at how utterly ridiculous this disorder is. Keep whatever sense of humor you have and learn a few little tricks like I did above.

Do I have any buyers for little ARBY's signs??????????? I am so freakin tired what am I doing up at 4:37 AM. I need a life.

You're getting a little punchy there, babe. Just a little bit punchy. :D Answering us at 4:30 in the morning will do that to you.

[fab]

Hi there my first post here, would just like to say HELLO to everybody(former yahoo poster btw). As it's getting warmish now in the uk im definetley lookin for a good sunscreen and if its recommended by dr Nase then this one i will definetley try out.
:P

Also if anyone from the UK knows wher to find this online and damn cheap let me know Thanks!

F. Tambini

[Max]

That's the thing about this, Max. It's a really mild, non-reactive, elegant (meaning no greasies) creme. It's formulated for people who have ipl, but it's useful for anyone with sensitive skin.

http://www.fortuna-apotheke.de/product/200x200/0/0542445.jpg

is it that one? i think i'll give it a try.

which one did you use. there's one for all skin types and one for oily/acne prone skin?

thanks, ghost...

[snwbdrloco84]

I wanted to tell everyone a great sunscreen I have been using. A few minutes after putting it on, my face becomes really pale. It leaves my skin with a whitish tint, but decreases any flushing I normally have when working outdoors or during my morning jog.
Its called glycolix suncreen SPF 30. The ingredients are listed below:

Zinc Oxide 17.0%. Also contains: Purified Water, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Cyclomethicone, Laurylmethicone Copolyol, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Polyacrylamide, Ceresin, Dimethicone, Green Tea Extract, Phospholipids, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Coenzyme Q-10, Ascorbyl Glucosamine, Superoxide Dismutase, Laureth-7, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea.

I found it on www.skin-etc.com The high percentage of zinc oxide in it is one of the best things about it plus the ingredient list isn't that long. The price of around $20 plus $5 shipping is a bit high, but I think it is worth it. The only thing I wish is that they would give a bit more than 1.6 fl oz.

Goodluck,
Ray

[drnase]

Ray,

Thanks that looks great. It looks just like Citrix that I recommended, but they replaced the second SPF ingredient with pure zinc.

Is it white or heavy.

[snwbdrloco84]

Hey Dr. Nase,

Great to see you posting again. On your question, it is white and a very thick. A little goes a long way. I have a question on the high percentage of zinc oxide, does it make it a better sunscreen because of that fact and the other ingredients in it? Would this sunscreen be better for the skin than something with only 5% zinc oxide and another UVB & UVA blocking ingredient?

Thanks,
Ray

[RedHotCanuck]

Are any of these new sunscreens tinted like Zinco?

[drnase]

Snowbird,

It is simply due to the zinc oxide concentration. Best for sensitive skin.

The reason for the 5% to 7% concentrations is because if you go above that percentage, then females cant put makeup on over top because the zinc oxide balls up.

[snwbdrloco84]

Gotcha Dr. Nase. Thanks for replying. Also, snwbdr means snowboarder not snowbird. I think someone else made that same mistake, lol.

Ray

[drnase]

Ray, aka snowboarder,

I dont use the term above much because when I was skiing often and snowboarding just came into its own.... we shared the slopes. I could have strangled each and everyone of you guys. So, to keep my blood pressure down I will just call you snow....OK. Look at RedHotCanuck. No mistakes with that one.

Ray. I need an honest answer. Were you one of those that swirved in and out of skiiers?

[Ghost]

Max,

Sorry, I completely missed your post about the Photoderm Max. Yes, that's it. Regarding oily/acne skin formula, I was shown the oily skin one at Boyd Chemists in NYC.

I just did a search, but couldn't find the product. Maybe they've stopped making it.

I'll look again and if I find more information I will post.

Best,

[Ghost]

P.S. Max, I used the moisturizing formulation of the Photoderm Max and had no problem with it. Of course, everyone's skin is different.

[snwbdrloco84]

Haha Dr. Nase. Most likely, I had fallen and was in a snowbank halfway down the slope and skiiers were flying past me. I relish the day when I can fly by those arrogant skiiers that think that they're all that and that they own the mountain. Someday...
Just kidding, seriously I suck really bad, but I thought it would be a cool screen name.

Regards,
Snowboarder Ray

[ken]

Just wanted to know what exactly is the brand name recommended for the dimethicone liqiud makeup. The citrix sunscreen sounds great but of all the zinc oxide sunscreens I have tried they all make you look like a memeber of the Addams family. So if your pale to start with you look even worse and people comment. So right now I mix a touch of tinted zinco with olay sensitive skin spf 15 to thin it out and look normal. I have tried liquid makeup in the past and all it did when combined with the high zinc sunscreen was pretty much not blend it and leave my skin flaky to the point I could not go out that way

[fut]

I found that Linda Sy's Zinco contributed to breakouts - perhaps this is in part to the high concentrations of zinc balling up?

Would that mean this new sunscreen would have the same effect?

[ken]

I will let you know my results. I just ordered it. I find that if I use too much zinco and do not dilute it it does ball up. When I say ball up I mean that close up you can see that it did not blend in and it tends to flake my skin. Of course having seb derm as well does not help and I believe that high zinc does have a mild exfoliateing action. As far as your breakouts go that would be very hard to pinpoint because everyone is different. It could be the olive oil in it or the iron oxides that actually color it.

[ken972]

I wonder how this sunscreen compares to Rosacea Cares? It sounds pretty similar to the RC version. Ken

[Karla]

Retinyl Palmitate - is this ingredient in Citrix ok, not bad for rosacea like alpha's etc?

[francois]

I have tried Bare Zone Sensitive Skin 30+ sunscreen. Its really nice but it is like a thooth paste and difficult to make the skin absorb it completely. How about citrix?? Is it more liquid and can be absorbed very easily?

:arrow:

[Mermaid]

Marc,

In my opinion, I think it is inappropriate to take one person's very uplifting and thought provoking comment as Francois made in his final lines, only to have them tainted with a very negative response. It is not considerate and productive and it would be wiser to stick to the topic discussed Marc. I find it personally sad to hurt people's feelings, especially when the whole point is to support each other and be uplifted by their courage and optimism.

Although I love Linda Sy's Zinco, I have heard very favourable reports about Fallene Cotz and the RosaceaCare Sunscreens.

Mermaid

[Karla]

Is there a place on this forum where ingredients to avoid are listed? I'm wondering about Retinyl Palmitate - is this ingredient in Citrix ok, not bad for rosacea like alpha's hydroxy etc

[Mermaid]

Hi Karla,

There is a website which lists some popular skin care ingredients. They rate each ingredient on a scale of 0-5, for their irritancy level and how comedogenic they are. 0 is the least irritating with 5 being the most irritating.

Although not conclusive, it does list many well known ingredients and what we should be careful with.

The website is http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/printable.htm

Hope this helps a little.

Mermaid

[Karla]

Mermaid,

Thanks for replying and that link! It doen't list Retinyl Palmitate, which when I searched the web came up w/a plethora of vitamin A skin care products. Maybe I'm confusing it with Retin A which rosacean's should avoid (I think, starting to lose track of the details) like alpha hydroxy acid types.

Karla

[Mermaid]

Hello Karla,

To my understanding, Retinyl Palmitate is the 'non prescription' format for the Retin-A type chemical. There have been mixed reactions as to whether this is an ingredient we should avoid. As we all know, what works for one person, can spell disaster for another. So frustrating. Perhaps someone else can fully clarify this for you but bear in mind that you may not have a problem with this ingredient particularly if it is at the end of the list of ingredients, indicating it is present in only small quantities. Maybe test it on a small area of your face for a while and see what happens.

Just to add a little more to the ingredients you should avoid. These can include Beta Hydroxy Acid (Salicylic Acid), Alpha Hydroxy Acids (Glycolic and Lactic Acid), Topical Retinoids (Tretinoin), Benzoyl Peroxide, Azelaic Acid, anti acne products, anti ageing products, any exfoliants and many many more.

When trying a new product bear in mind that it can take upto 16 days before your skin starts to react adversely. This is why you should try only one thing at a time.

I have often discovered that many ingredients that others react to, are fine for me so listen to your skin, always.

Mermaid

[Karla]

Thank you Mermaid, you rule!!!! on this ingredient topic (probably other stuff too ;-) That's so true about how differently we're each affected and how long it can take to see the effect. Thanks for all the info you research and post here, your posts always help me.

Karla

[snwbdrloco84]

Hi,

Here is a post from the archives of the yahoo rosacea group regarding the use of Retinal Palmitate from Dr. Nase...


Hello Group,

Some good questions about Vitamin A analogues, especially with the
anti-aging industry booming. In all sincerity, one of the reasons
why rosacea is becoming much more of a problem is due primarily to
the use of irritating anti-aging products.

Be very careful. Decreasing the depth of a wrinkle line is not
worth moderate to severe cosmetic induced rosacea.

Be very careful of all the home self glycolic peel kits "made for
sensitive skin". There is no such thing.

Retinol and pro-retinol are problematic for most. Please be careful.

Retinal Palmitate is generally safe to use on rosacea skin. It is
an esterfied form of retinol that is quite harmless.

Regards,

Geoffrey
______________________________

Dr. Geoffrey Nase
Ph.D. Neurovascular Physiologist
http://www.drnase.com
______________________________


Personally, I have had no problems with Retinal Palmitate, but always be cautious and listen to your skin.

Ray

[Winnie M]

Hi Dr. Nase,

Thanks a lot for this info!! The finest micronized zinc oxide is what I like to have, non-micronized one makes me look like a casket model. :lol: Hope it fits seb derm skin well. I definitely will try it.

Best blessings



In 2001, SkinHealth came out with a revolutionary new sunblock that contained the finest micronized zinc oxide and multiple anti-inflammatory ingredients in liposomes. Superoxide dismutase is key, so are Coenzyme Q-10 and Green Tea in liposomes. It swept all the major awards as the best sunblock. It costs $50. Now Citrix has copied it ingredient for ingredient and cut the price down to $18. This is the best sunblcok I have ever tried. It feels great, calms the skin down and actually makes you want to put a sunblock on. Tops on my list.


Citrix - Citrix Antioxidant Sunscreen SPF 30 - 3.5 oz.

Specially formulated with Micronized Zinc Oxide to provide the highest level of broad spectrum protection in combination with a rich blend of free radical quenching antioxidants consisting of Liposomal Vitamin A, C, E, Green Tea Extract and CO-Q10. This oil free formulation provides up to 30 times the natural protection from sunburn that your skin provides.

Ingredients:
Active Ingredients- Zinc Oxide 7.0%, Octyl Methoxycinnamate 7.5%

Also Contains- Purified Water, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Laurylmethicone Copolyol, Cyclomethicone, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Polyacrylamide, Ceresin, Green Tea Extract, Phospholipids, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Coenzyme Q10, Ascorbyl Glucosamine, Superoxide Dismutase, Laureth-7, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea.

[NoMoreRed!]

I'm going to buy it from this site: http://www.skin-etc.com/tociansuspf3.html

Is it anything els I should buy from this site now that I am shopping? I don't use anything els than a little makeup on my skin. Should I buy some other creams, or something? I don't have a clue about this stuff.

:?

[Darcy47]

Andmag,

I would say the inherent nature of the micronized zinc oxide tones down the skin by about 25%. You can also make up your own version with a little experimenting -- mixing in the new dimethicone liqiuid makeup (like 5 or six drops and then you can match any skin tone. The women love this one because it looks so natural. Linda Sy's Zinco is great and I helped her formulate it, but for men or some women, you dont want perfect coverage and flawless skin (I know that sounds funny) because depending what light your in it will look fake if it is perfect or smooths everything out because skin has many different natural tones to it, not just one color across the board. By the way the 'lights of death" (e.g. that make you look the wost) are (1) fluorescent lights and (2) sunlight from noon to 3 pm (you look better in the morning until 11 AM when red hues come through and after 4 pm when the red hues come back -- sort of like looking at yourself in your own car mirror at night when the car in front of you has its red brake lights on -- this literally erases rosacea.

ON a funny personal note, when I had my severe red rosacea, I was dating someone I really liked, but was still trying to understand what I had. I learned very quickly to never see her during the day and I found this VERY romantic lake with red hues from distant buildings, etc. It toned me down to normal. The red ARBY's fast food sign also does a great job (the funny things you learn). I have been contemplating making hand held ARBY's signs to give to rosacea sufferers to carry with them throughout the day. LOL. Sorry, I know some of you are really hurting right now, but every once in a while you just have to laugh at how utterly ridiculous this disorder is. Keep whatever sense of humor you have and learn a few little tricks like I did above.

Do I have any buyers for little ARBY's signs??????????? I am so freakin tired what am I doing up at 4:37 AM. I need a life.

[Darcy47]

I want the Arby's sign!!!!! I hate going in stores because the fluorescent lights are so cruel!
blush:

Can you put make-up on over sunscreen?
Darcy

[Melissa W]

Hi Darcy,

You can apply makeup over sunblock. Just wait 15 min or so for the sunblock to dry.
To answer your PM I use vanicream sunblock spf 60 for sensitive skin ifI am going to be outside for a long time. Otherwise I use the Linda Sy untinted zinco spf 20 for commuting to work etc. Unfortunately it won't be back in production for a while. Not sure how long but it will be posted at the RF when it is back.

Best wishes,
Melissa

[SkincareKev]

too bad this contains diazolidinyl urea. I am very sensitive to the formaldehyde-releasing preservatives.

[Yvette]

Hi -

Yes, the urea can cause dermatitis for those that are prone or extra sensitive. I can't tolerate. If you use, do a patch test first just in case.

Yvette