Green Tea Extract for Treatment of Rosacea

[drnase]

Dermatologist MD, PhD develops new Green Tea Cream to treat rosacea redness, papules, pustules, burning sensations and skin hypersensitivity. For detailed information please follow the link below:


http://www.drnase.com/rosacea_hot_topics.htm

[Kelli]

Hi Dr. Nase,

I emailed Dr. Syed, and he promptly emailed me back with a lot of information and questions. I just wanted to know if you know him more than an article? Is he a reputable Dr.? I hate to sound so questioning, but I am seriously looking into buying his green tea cream, but it isn't cheap.

Thanks!
Kelli

[drnase]

Kelli,

I honestly dont know. Even though it has one study and presented at the AAD does not mean it will work. Please go with your gut feeling on this one until I have a little bit of time to experiment with it.

I am excited but a little bit sceptical because Replenix is made of 90% polyphenols from green tea and very few responded favorably to it. Hopefully the doc found out something they did not know.

[Kelli]

Can I forward you his email? He seemed to put more info in it that might interest you, and might be able to help me figure this out. (I was just going to start googling stuff!)

[drnase]

Please feel free. Thank you.

drnase1000@hotmail.com

:arrow:

[roja no mas]

:lol:
Interesting thought, while looking for the 50mg prog/grape seed extract combo pill at a local level, which I did not find but the store had a grape seed green tea combo pill.

For those in CA it is at Henry's (local whole foods type store)

Green Tea has been used for years by facialists for masks for sensitive skin, cool green tea bags for eye puffiness as well as in scalp treatments.
all made from tea bags and leaves, not expensive, and a nice treat to do for your self at home.

[Tamara]

I e-mailed him and he got right back to me. He said it costs $125.00 including shipping and handling and he asked a lot of questions. I can't afford the $125.00 right now so I haven't pursued it any further.

Here are his questions:

1. How old are you and how long you have rosacea?

2. Is it pustular or just traditional red-face rosacea?

3. What type of medications you have used in the past?

4. Do your siblings have history of rosacea?

5. What is your job specification, I mean environmental conditions?

6. Do you sun-bath often or be in heat areas more?

7. Do you have allergy to some foods or medications?

8. Do you like spicy or sea-foods, or hot beverages like coffee, if so, how frequent?

9. Your skin type is dry, sensitive or have pre-matured wrinkles?

10. Do you do cooking?

I hope this helps. I'm curious to know what others decide about it.

Tamara

[drnase]

Tamara,

That price is outrageous. It would have to cure rosacea completely to be worth that price. I think that is only for four ounces. We know where he lives via the article -- we could go into his back yard and pick his special green leaves and then run. :D

[Tamara]

Hi Dr. Nase,

Yep, I absolutely agree, it seemed like an outrageous price to me too. That's why I didn't pursue it any further. Too bad, it would be nice to know if it's helpful.

Oh Well,

Tamara

[clsykes00]

Ok all, i feel stupid but i am willing to take the plunge for sake of finding things that work. I plunked down the dough for it. I will be sure to keep everyone updated on my progress with the cream. That said, I will not say anything for at least a month, which seems to be the amount of time required for new topicals to react to my face.

btw, the cream is supposed to last 2 months for $125. I will let you know if that is true too (that is how long it lasts).

Best,
Trey

[Tamara]

Ok Trey, you're "our guy". You may be the only one trying this, so PLEASE be SURE to let us know how it goes! Best of luck to you. I hope it helps.

Tamara

[drnase]

Trey,

Great to know you understand the rosacea beast and delayed irritant reactions. But, please keep us informed from day one on initial thoughts, how it feels, etc. Some green tea creams and gels do have an immediate antiflushing/antistinging effect. If he is on to something lets see. Please give us your initial thoughts as you try it out. I would ask that everyone send Trey a nickel for every post to help reimburse what could have been a house downpayment.

Put a nickel in an envelope and mail it to"

Trey trying out the Green Tea

No other information should be needed.

[Kelli]

that's exactly what he sent to me. Did he send a long email with lots of information about it?

I'm "humoring" my derm. right now with metrogel, minocycline, and clondigel (I can't remember that name). If it doesn't work, I may look into this new one.

I know someone who makes her own line of skincare based on essential oils and organic ingredients. Are we saying that he is growing special leaves and producing it at a certain extract percentage? I just wonder whether it is something that could be produced by someone who was used to mixing her own blends?

What do you reckon, i might go and e-mail her to see what she says.

[Tamara]

Hi Kelli,

No, he didn't send any information about the product. He mostly said the price and asked those questions.

Tamara

[Kelli]

Here's what he sent me:

Thank you for your interest in SYEDÒ Facial Cream for the treatment of rosacea. This cream is strictly tested and evaluated by dermatologic and ophthalmologic means and do not contains, any oil, fragrance, preservatives etc. The good part is that it works, seeing is believing and till today many rosacea patients (782) have been CURED where in our dermatological circle we do not think it is possible.

Here is the rationale behind this discovery. The polyphenolic fractions (-EGCg, Epigallocatechin gallate) isolated from green tea extract and the physiological chemistry of their molecules exhibit a variety of antioxidants that can inhibit production of reactive oxygen species, lessen elastic and collagen degeneration, prevent alteration of the cutaneous vasculature, as well as, can contribute inhibitory effect on vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) including anti-inflammatory properties and inhibition of microorganisms, demodex folliculorum and Helicobacter pylori, the prominent causative manifestations to ‘tripwire’ bouts of rosacea.

Fresh tea leaves are all the same and contain polyphenolic compounds called catechins. There are 16 catechins (monomers) and their level of composition depends on the sensitivity or sophistication of different extraction methods. Common tea polyphenol is brown in color, however, in order to extract or process white EGCg which is comparatively more expensive than brown it needs specific proprietary processing techniques. Additionally, green tea extract itself acts as more than SPF 50 and potent preservative so no additional preservative or sunscreen (chemical ingredients that enhance skin irritation) is needed.

Basically, I need to know the answers to the following questions and on the basis of your reply I customize the cream that suits your face. In my opinion there is no such mass-production cream that fits all, as each rosacea patient should be treated with individual attention. Each jar of 50 ml (1.7 OZ.) is good for 6-8 weeks and in general you may not need more than 2-3 jars. This is a treatment and not a lifelong management with this cream. For each customized jar I charge USD125.00 including shipping and handling.

1. How old are you and how long you have rosacea?

2. Is it pustular or just traditional red-face rosacea?

3. What type of medications you have used in the past?

4. Do your siblings have history of rosacea?

5. What is your job specification, I mean environmental conditions?

6. Do you sun-bath often or be in heat areas more?

7. Do you have allergy to some foods or medications?

8. Do youlike spicy or sea-foods, or hot beverages like coffee, if so, how frequent?

9. Your skin type is dry, sensitive or have pre-matured wrinkles?

10. Do you do cooking?



I look forward with great interest to receive your reply. Kindest regards.

[drnase]

1.7 ounces for $125. That is just crazy.

I will keep you posted on it from the first day. That is great point Dr. Nase on the feeling of it. Because to be honest, there is something that sounds so soothing about putting green tea extract on my face. It is a crazy price, but we shall see what happens!!!

I don't know if this is all hocus pocus, but he asked me to send him a digital picture, which I did while I was on the phone with him. He put it in his computer while we were talking and started describing my skin texture and problem (keep in mind this photo was not a close up head shot, just one that I had on my work computer). Dr Syed started "you clearly have large pores, sensative skin, patches of broken blood vessels here and here, etc." You can't tell this from the picture I sent him, but he was right in all of his assessments. Maybe I'm just gullible, but I felt impressed. He said he makes the cream specifically for each individuals problems. He certainly isn't a "high production" outfit if he is the one answering the phone (probably the reason why he has to charge so much for the cream!).

Anyway, I will report as things progress. I will likely start putting the magic on early next week. I feel stupid for paying that much now, but if it works and helps others if I report good results, the $125 could potentially be worth it!!!

Best,
Trey

[drnase]

Kelli,

I am interested in the clondigel. Did you mean clindamycin gel or clondigel because clondigel sounds like a topical clonidine gel which would be very novel.

I keep looking at your photo and I want to ask ........ Are you old enough to post on this group. This is a big girls and boys group :lol:

[Kelli]

I'll double check tonight. I meant to last night, but went out to eat with my family.

It's just my inner-child that you see there. ;-) (Really, me at my 3rd birthday party! I LOVED strawberry shortcake!)

[Library Lady]

I just re-read the info on Dr Nase's site and the reason this is so expensive is that it is custom compounded for each individual.

Dr Syed states:
"many rosacea patients (782) have been CURED where in our dermatological circle we do not think it is possible"

"Here is the rationale behind this discovery. The polyphenolic fractions (-EGCg, Epigallocatechin gallate) isolated from green tea extract and the physiological chemistry of their molecules exhibit a variety of antioxidants that can ... [inhibit]..., demode folliculum, Helicobacter pylori, the prominent causative manifestations to ‘tripwire’ bouts of rosacea"

[Mermaid]

Hey everyone,

I have been using the Replenix CF cream and serum for some time now and am thrilled with the results.

They are fortified with Caffeine USP and contain Green Tea 90% Polyphenol Isolates.

They are without question the best moisturisers I've tried and I've pretty much tried them all. I'm very very pleased with these products.

Mermaid

[Kelli]

Dr. Nase, I posted the information somewhere in here. Unfortuately everything is getting mvoed around, so I'm completely lost this morning. If I find it, I'll move it here.

[Kelli]

Dr. Nase, here's the info on the Clindagel they gave me. Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on it. I only got samples. Not even a prescription.

Clindagel
Clindamycin Phosphate topical gel
equivalent to 1% clindamycin
Galderma (Do they have the corner on non-useful Rosacea treatments?)

[snwbdrloco84]

Hey Mermaid, I remember you posting about your positive experiences with the Replenix products with green tea. Is there a big difference between those Replenix products and this miracle cream at the low low price of $125? I would love to give it a go, but I am currently low on finances.

Ray

[Mermaid]

Hey Ray,

I was really floundering to find a good moisturiser which didn't irritate. Then I remember Dr Nase mentioning the benefits of green tea and that Replenix made a range.

I absolutely love them now. They make both a serum and a cream. If your skin is super sensitive, start with the serum first as it is lighter and less likely to irritate. Having said this, I'm sure you are well aware of how differently we react to various topicals. I use both, the serum first and then the cream over the top and I can't personally say enough good things about these products. Make sure you buy the ones that are fortified with Caffeine.

They are both around $42 for 30ml (1 Fl Oz) and I buy mine online at www.skincarerx.com but it might be worth shopping around.

Good luck and I hope that helps a little.

Mermaid

[Tamara]

Trey,

Did you get it yet?

Tamara

[fut]

Each jar of 50 ml (1.7 OZ.) is good for 6-8 weeks and in general you may not need more than 2-3 jars.

I love the wording of this sentence.

[Kelli]

I must be missing something... why?

Sounds very non-commital to me. A little like 'generally you should only need 5 sessions of IPL, however you may need more' ie, don't complain if you give me lots of cash and it makes not a jot of difference to yr face.

[Kelli]

Gotcha! Makes sense... I'm a little slow sometimes. LOL

[NoMoreRed!]

Trey, have you tested it?

There is a lot of green tea creams on the market (e.g this one http://store.yahoo.com/skin-etc/neovcalgreen.html or this http://store.yahoo.com/skin-etc/torecr.html ), what is the difference between these creams and the one in the study?

[clsykes00]

NoMoreRed,
I have the container in hand but have not tested it yet. I have had a bad bout with P&P and oily skin lately (humidity and allergies kill me). Since the cream serves to moisturize the skin, I am a bit reluctant to put it on my face at this time. I already have one text book seb hyp and really don't want to challenge my face to make more.

Dr Nase, am I just using poor logic above (i.e. oily skin + moisturizer = greater chance of seb hyp)?

I will be sure to start filling people in on the cream from day 1. Sorry for my reluctance at this time.

Best,
Trey

[Max]

I have the container in hand but have not tested it yet. I have had a bad bout with P&P and oily skin lately (humidity and allergies kill me). Since the cream serves to moisturize the skin, I am a bit reluctant to put it on my face at this time.

why don't you just start on a small region? to see what your reaction will be?

thanks for promising to keep us updated...

[G24]

Anything new?

[lorilu]

Dr. Nase,

You mentioned at the beginning of the thread that few responding well to replenix green tea.. I thought the opposite was true?

thanks

LOri

[lorilu]

why must i buy the ones with caffeine?
i like the one without.. and caffiene seems to irritate my skin..

[dnaz53]

Hello I'm a newbie, and have ordered Dr Syed's green tea cream after a conversation with him yesterday. I know that alot of you have commented on the price of the cream, and while it is expensive, if you are like me, you've already spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars in search of relief and answers. I am waiting for the product to arrive and will post my experience. I am so highly sensitive to all products that for the past 6 months I can use only Plain Water on my face and 1 tiny drop of jojoba oil emulsified in my hands. Anything else burns so badly that tears run down my face. ..so I will know immediately if I can tolerate the product. Let's all hope that Dr Syed's cream matches his sincerity.

[irishgenes]

Dnaz53, I hope you will post on here about the cream. It seems that Trey doesn't want to use the cream now that he has it. Maybe he wants to sell it to one of us at a bargain rate?!!

[dnaz53]

I received the green tea cream this morning, along with a long personal letter from Dr Syed. I will begin using it tonight and post my experience weekly. I am feeling very hopeful for the first time in years that this will really work.

[clsykes00]

irishgenes,
i dont want to use because of my concern over the moisturizing aspects of it. i have problems with sebum production.

i would sell it but unfortunately it is "customized" for the person ordering it. i dont know what this means exactly to be honest.

best,
trey

[irishgenes]

Trey, I understand your concern over sebum production, as I have too much sebum myself and can't use creams without breaking out in pimples. I guess I am a cynic, but I suspect that the "customized" part is simply hype to justify the outrageous price that he charges for inexpensive ingredients.

[dnaz53]

I wasn't going to post right away, but I want to respond to the last 2 posts. I also have a problem with oily skin and was nervous about the cream..but I put it on the first night and was surprised at how light it feels on my face...not at all oily...in fact there is no oil in it. So far it hasn't caused any burning...unusual for me to be able to use anything on my face except water. I will post again after a week .

[Max]

... in fact there is no oil in it.

as far as i know oil isn't the only thing to cause clogged pores...

[Mermaid]

... in fact there is no oil in it.

as far as i know oil isn't the only thing to cause clogged pores...

Max is completely right. There are a plethora of ingredients which may clog pores in some, but not all individuals.

These include such things as Cetearyl Alcohol + Ceteareth20, pigments such as D&C Red # 21, 30, 36, Dioctyl Succinate, Decyl Oleate, Disodium Monooleamido PEG, 2-Sulfosuccinate, Ethylhexy Palmitate, Glyceryl Stearate SE, Glyceryl-3-Diisostearate, Isocetyl Stearate, Isodecyl Oleate, Isopropyl Isosterate, Isopropyl Palmitate, Isopropyl Myristate, Laureth 4, Myristyl Myristate, Octyl Stearate, Oleth-3, PEG 16 Lanolin, Propylene Glycol Monostearate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Stearth 10 and Xylene.

Of course the list is endless and this is only the tip of the iceberg. But please bear in mind that although these ingredients have been shown to clog pores, we are all different and hence it is impossible to determine how potentially harmful these ingredients are until you try them.

Mermaid

[Karla]

Trey,

If it's customized to you then wouldn't they have taken the sebum issue into consideration and formulated it accordingly? Just a thought off the top of my head!

karla

[dnaz53]

Hi Trey,
I told Dr Syed about my especially oily T-zone and he mentioned in his letter that accompanied the cream, that he customized it with that in mind. I think if someone were to say that their skin was extremely oily ,he would adjust the product accordingly. I have been e-mailing him daily and he responds within hours. I have never had a doctor take such personal interest or seem so confident that he can help. Try your cream...or at least write to him with your concerns...I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

ps my skin feels good today...too soon to tell anything, but hopeful

[dnaz53]

Hello,
It has ben 9 days since I began using Dr Syed's cream. I have been in daily contact with him. My face started to react to something in the preparation on the 5th day. The dry patches and reddness were improving, but the burning wasincreasing. Dr Syed recommended that I send the cream back to him along with photos of my skin so that he can modify and resend the preparation. He believes firmly that each rosacea patients case be reated individually, and that no two people should have the exact same treatment. He is currently in Japan where he extracts the green tea extract, and will send the new cream when he returns. Since I have tried at least 50 different moisturizers and sunscreens with no luck, it doesn't surprise me that some ingredient in the cream is causing a reaction. We are trying to find a vehicle that be used for the green tea extract that will not aggravate my hypersensitive skin.
I will post aain when I have news

Diane

[Lars]

That's positive the reaction you're getting, besides the burning I mean.
Hopefully he'll remake the cream so that it'll fit your skin.

I desperatly want this cream to work, for the selfish reason that I want to try it myself. But I think I'll wait and see how it goes for you. So thanks for the feedback :!:
And good luck :!: :!: :!:

[Lars]

Any updates on this subject :?:

[dnaz53]

Sorry it's ben awhile...Dr Syed has been in Japan for weeks, harvesting and processing the extract he uses in the cream. My last e-mail from him said that he would be returnng to the US on Sept 18th and will be preparing and sending me a new formula, based on my reactions to the first cream, and some photos I sent that were analyzed by a special machine. I hope to receive it next week and will let you know what happens[/u][/i]

[fanta]

is this a joke or something? I doubt that he is out harvesting green tea himself :lol:

[dnaz53]

not a joke...Dr Syed has a plantation in Japan...he actually makes this stuff himself...I really think you should contact him yourself . He responds personally to his e-mail and returns calls quickly...I don't know if the cream will help me, but in the world of doctors, he is a gem.

[fanta]

Interesting... to have a plantation in Japan you definitely need to be Japanese - so Dr. Syed is a genuine Japanese
His name doesnt sound Japanese though, but I guess you learn something new every day :|

[trisht]

dear dnaz,
any further news on the bespoke green tea formula for you? I would love to know.
Trish

[fanta]

trisht, your name makes me so feel so dismal, why all this tristesse? :cry:

[trisht]

Sorry fanta, but you are going to have to live with it. At least it has been interesting enough for you to comment on.
Cheer up and be positive
Trish

[Lars]

Whatever happened with this product?? Does or doesn't it work?

[drnase]

Whatever happened with this product?? Does or doesn't it work?


Lars,

It does work for a number of people which is good -- however the price is was too much. The physician is a very genuine guy and wants to help, but I believe he would do well and we would do better (price wise) if he were to sell the patents to a caring skin care company. I am only speaking for myself here.

Merry xmas guys and gals.

[Clara]

Trey, how did the Green tea cream work for you?

I'm very keen to know! :D

[clsykes00]

Clara,
Sorry I can't give you a good report, but I tried two times on my chin and gave up. I didn't like the feeling since I have very oily skin. I decided to pursue another route, accutane. I wish I could provide a better assessment. Sorry.

Best,
Trey

[Lars]

You didn't like it because it made your skin feel more oily or did it irritate your skin? I have very dry skin so would it help me?

[clsykes00]

I didnt use it because the composition of the cream didn't feel good against my oily skin. Didn't have confidence that it would make that symptom any better (very unscientific, but an issue for me as someone afraid of seb hyp getting worse).

The cream did not irritate my skin in the least.

Best,
Trey

[alpha_waves]

sometimes your skin gets oily cause its not in balance...being too dry first leading to excessive sebum production subsequently. Also, inflammation triggers more sebum production..so perhaps you could have benefitted from the cream if you started using it when the skin was in balance..when things first are out of balance everything seems to be uphill and putting anything on the skin is not adviserable

[marecki]

not too sure about tea :)

http://www.wackypackages.org/John_Mann_Website/originals/series4/pictures/hipton.jpg

[brillig]

I read the green tea study several months back (before finding this site), but I could not locate cream referenced in the study. With a lot of searching, I finally found and ordered this:

http://www.originbiomed.com/pages/skin_cream.html

Much less expensive ($30 for a 20 gram tube). The manufacturer indicated in an email to me that the product had appx the same % of active green tea components as the one used in the study. I can't recall what that % was off the top of my head, but I probably saved the email (or you could just email them thru the website like I did and ask what the % is.... they answered my question promptly).

I have not used it consistently, I mostly just dab it on papules when they occur, so I can't give very detailed results as to what consistent use over the entire face, or the portions thereof might do. It caused/causes me zero irritation.

Just thought I would mention it as a potential option for those wanting to try a green tea cream similar to the one in the cited study, but at a lower price.

~Alessandra

[brillig]

Aha! Found where it said the percentage of stable green tea catechins this green tea cream contains: 3.7%

http://www.originbiomed.com/pdf/polyphenon_product_warning.pdf

~Alessandra

[Eric]

hi,
how effective would you say it is with your P&Ps?
eric

[tkr]

o.k guys I have used the green tea cream. Made me 10 times worse. Terrible. He had a refund policy, did not refund my money either. First he was son nice and I thought the world of him, but after it did nothing but made me redder and burning etc.. he became a different person, very rude and upnotcious. He would not give me my money back or even partial. A ripp off con artist if you ask me. FRAUD!! I could not bellieve this was the same man. Oh well, what can I do? dont make the same mistake...not worth 145.00us what a quack tamara

[RedHotCanuck]

Did you apply a test spot for a few days/weeks to see if it would irritate your skin?

o.k guys I have used the green tea cream. Made me 10 times worse. Terrible. He had a refund policy, did not refund my money either. First he was son nice and I thought the world of him, but after it did nothing but made me redder and burning etc.. he became a different person, very rude and upnotcious. He would not give me my money back or even partial. A ripp off con artist if you ask me. FRAUD!! I could not bellieve this was the same man. Oh well, what can I do? dont make the same mistake...not worth 145.00us what a quack tamara

[Brian786786]

There is something missing in this thread. Dr. Syed's website says USD125.00 for USA and Canada why you paid USD145.00 it is confusing. Overall my feelings and respect is with you and not the other way. We all get frustrated and do not like to be ripped off. I paid several thousands dollars for visiting derms and IPL and got nothing not to mention humiliation. Waiting period was long and many derms even paid no attention to what I wanted and pushed me to go for prescriptions or IPL. Like many others it took me more than a year to contact Dr. Syed and I found him different what you have written. My rosacea is getting cured and If I see the other way I will post right away. I agree with the Moderator that you should have tried on a spot to see whether it works or not. Your rosacea got ten times worse do not make sense. Except you or another respectful person who even got customized cream free (which I do not believe) and used the customized cream got RED and then tried to sell the same cream he has put finger into it to other rosaceans for USD80.00 put us what to believe on our postings.

Recently one great peson designed a very nice logo for our Rosacea Forum and I said thank God we have some good people on this site. Why not we should be like Redhotz or others to help each others rather using harsh language. Believe it if we are united and care about each others thousands of Dr. Syed cannot do anything, however by writing the other way many of us do not believe or trust vwhat you are expressing. I apologize if I hurt you but I am very pleased and happy with Dr. Syed's Green Tea Cream and many of us are using it and getting results. Brian

[tkr]

O.K GUYS, SO I DO GET MAD WHEN I HEAR ABOUT DR. SYED BECAUSE I TAKE IT PERSONALLY. WE BECAME PRETTY CLOSE OVER THE INTERNET, HE EVEN SENT ME PICTURES OF HIS WIFE. HE WAS SO NICE AND SEEMED SO DEDICATED. IT HAS BEEN AWHILE SINCE I USED THIS PRODUCT, SO I HAD TO REMEMBER BUT IT WAS 125.00US SO I DID PAY MORE I AM FROM CANADA. SORRY IF I CAUSED ANY CONFUSION. AND YES I DID A TEST SPOT. THE WHOLE PROBLEM ALSO LIES WITH DR.SYED KEPT TELLING ME TO CONTINUE TREATMENT, THAT IT WAS NORMAL...BUT TURNED OUT IT WAS NOT AND I WAS GETTING TERRIBLY WORSE. I HATE TO EVEN BE DISCUSSING IT, BECAUSE IT STILL BOTHERS ME TO THIS DAY, AND I FEEL I WAS NO DOUBT TAKEN FOR A RIDE. HE BECAME SO RUDE AND LIKE A DIFFERENT PERSON FROM NIGHT AND DAY. JUST WANT TO ALERT THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE! THAT IS ALL. IT IS AN END TOPIC FOR ME, BECAUSE I AM SORRY TO SAY IT REALLY HURT ME A GREAT DEAL. I WAS FOOL ENOUGH TO BELIEVE HIM IN HIS SINCERE WORDS AT THE BEGINNING. TAMARA

[tkr]

YOU ARE RIGHT, I DONT FEEL I USED HARSH WORDS THOUGH, WHEN IT STATED HE HAD A REFUND POLICY AND DID NOT GIVE MY MONEY BACK. WE BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY. THAT IS ALL. I AGREE THAT ONE THING THAT WORKS FOR ONE PERSON MAY NOT WORK FOR ANOTHER. I GUESS THAT IS REFERRING TO ME "IT DID NOT WORK" I WILL NOT POST ON THIS TOPIC ANY LONGER. THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE AND IF IT WORKS FOR YOU THATS WONDERFUL. I AM HAPPY FOR THAT. THE SITUATION WAS CLEARLY DIFFERENT FOR ME, AND YOU CAN RESPECT THAT TOO. SORRY, DONT MEAN TO SOUND HARSH BUT THIS IS HOW IT WENT. TAMARA

[Brian786786]

Again I get confused by your posting O.K GUYS, SO I DO GET MAD WHEN I HEAR ABOUT DR. SYED BECAUSE I TAKE IT PERSONALLY. WE BECAME PRETTY CLOSE OVER THE INTERNET, HE EVEN SENT ME PICTURES OF HIS WIFE.

You and Dr. Syed became PRETTY Close, and he has to send you his wife's pictures and instead of USD125.00 you paid USD145.00, Why? suddenly the cream gave you TEN times worst reaction and you felt ripped off. He refused to refund!!! I understand sometimes in order to achieve special attention we all get closer to our medical practitioner and even too attached may be??? I am not advocating Dr. Syed or his products, this is what see from your posting. I am just saying for MYSELF that I am and only I am getting relief or more than 80 percent elimination of redness and telangiectasia from the same person you are writing scam, fraud and con artist. Rosacea is really a bad disease and had ruined my life my self esteem. My girl friend left me, I suffered a lot, felt lonely and not to mention spent lots of financial burden in thousands of dollars. Here I see by paying USD125.00 for every 6-8 weeks (I am on my second jar) I am getting major relief. Believe it there are many on our Rosacea Forum who are still buying this cream otherwise Dr. Syed was bankrupt or took his website. Have you seen any change on his website, still there are lots of spelling and grammatical mistakes and he is not doing anything, why? because rosaceans are buying.

I apologize I hurt your feeling, we should not be too attached to a person that he has to send his wife's pictures to you and everytime you see his name you get angry. I blame rosacea and not you. Brian[/b]

[redhotoz]

I do think we have to remember that our skin can react to products in different ways.

I understand Tamara's frustration. When you build a good rapport with someone on-line and have complete trust and faith in that person, you feel really hurt, let-down and upset when things turn pear shaped.

Dr Syed used to have a money back guarantee on his web site but that was later removed. There were a few other changes that were made to the web site too, around the time that Adrian was trying to get a Q&A happening. The Q&A never came to fruition though, due to a number of reasons that I'm not going to list. Bygones be bygones and all that.

I'm glad that the cream is working for you Brian. That's fantastic and I hope it continues to be a positive tool in controlling your Rosacea, even at the exorbitant price charged.

Jen

[Brian786786]

Dear Jen, to me you are a symbol of excellence. Just look at your postings how devotedly you are trying to help us, sincerity is showering. In case of Tamara I have noticed that she is taking it too personal and to my understanding Rosacea Forum is not something like match.com or matchpoint where a hurt bird expresses others like scam, fraud or con artist because cream did not work or something else has happened that we do not know!!!. From all of her postings I could see she just get flareup by seeing Dr. Syed's name. For the last year on our Rosacea Forum there are 2 persons who are constantly postings personal attacks on Dr. Syed and both have personal reasons, why? If I see more than five rosaceans say that they have been treated differently I may rethink myself. The objective of Rosacea Forum is to help each other and express our experiences and not to have revengeful attitude. One can compare all of your postings and Tamara's postings and see the difference. I just do not like to post a person as scam, fraud or con artist where there is no substantial evidence rather appears to be a very personal reason. I can understand her frustration or she may think she has been ripped off and now she is ALLERGIC to Dr. Syed's name, not to mention she has posted she became pretty close to Dr. Syed. I never saw a professional should send his wife?s picture to his female patient, why it has happened and suddenly the female patient gets angry!!! and cannot stand that name. To my understanding Dr. Syed is a derm and we should not expect more from a derm as most of them are chips of the same block. It may be possible that the cream did not work for Tamara that do not mean it will not work on others. To me rosacea patients know more than a derm because we are continuously trying to have normal lifestyle and do more research work than a derm and not blindfolded like a horse, just see straight and prescribe routine steroids, antibiotics or IPL procedures. I sincerely apologize to Tamara if she thinks I am taking anyside, I am on her side as we share the same pain. Still one thing puzzles me the most Dr. Syed did not refund her and gave free cream to jmaguire1133 and both hate him, Why? My crossword puzzle is awaiting. Brian

[jmaguire1133]

He is a quack in my mind. He was nice to send me a large sample free after I nagged and threatened to go to the AAD about his "cure" claims. His seemed nice at times and when I questioned about why he wont post ingredients, why he doesnt have a money back guarantee, he changed big time! now he completely ignores me again cause I asked about ingredients. besides that the cream was very thick, smelled weird to me (all fragances bother my face), irritated me right away make me flush bright red and its unproven. even a dr who examined this cream in an article dr. guy webster told me to use traditional therapy. I am moving on to try Rosacea-ltd now

Mike

[Brian786786]

Really sometimes rosacea make people psycho and they do not know what they are saying, doing or posting. If American Academy of Dermatology (AAD) was working for us we do not have more than 20 million rosacea patients in the nation. AAD protects AAD members and they are damn derms who treat us differently. Jmaguire1133 is jumping from one branch to other with bunch of lies. Just see all his postings he THREATENED Dr. Syed to report to Medical Board, AAD and many others and Dr. Syed got scared and gave him the cream FREE (absolute lie) and the same thick, smelly weird cream he received FREE he wanted to sell for USD80.00 to another fellow rosacean. What a great CHARACTER and he wants to help us. Why he did not go to the Medical Board and AAD to report about Dr. Syed and now Dr. Syed is ignoring him. Dr. Guy Webster is also a derm chips of the same block. Why not Dr. Guy Webster is helping Rosacea Forum if he cares about us. It?s a mad mad world, one lady says Dr. Syed did not refund her and the other man is saying Dr. Syed gave him free because he threatened him. I have visited almost 60 damn dermatologists in the nation and they all ripped me off with huge visiting fee and 7 painful sessions of IPL. There are only 2 rosacean who are ALLERGIC to Dr. Syed and it is all personal, their postings are self-explanatory, please come down. Dr. Syed do not need us if he cares this business his website should not have spelling and grammatical mistakes. I am grateful to many other rosaceans who are devotedly posting exceptionally well information. Brian

[jmaguire1133]

whatever brian. he did send me the $125 bogus cream for free. Im glad it works for you, I know dozens it hasnt on here alone. To me its useless, and he is a different man now. why wont he respond anymore? cause he knows I want ingredients list(reason enough not to use it without that) and that it didnt work for me so he wont be making money. we are allowed to sharew our experiences and warn those from spending $125.

Mike

[FLYBOY109]

JMAGUIRE, If the cream does not work for you why are you still calling and bothering this man. You do not make alot of sense. You even e-mailed me again not to long ago and asked how the cream is working for me. I am rosacea free and I believe it is from the cream. If it did not work for you move on and leave the poor man alone. You got the cream for free; you said it did not work; but yet you are still trying to contact this dermatologist threatening him and wonder why he does not answer your calls. Another thing. You said in a post that you used rosacea ltd and it burned your face off so you got a refund. Why the hell than are you promoting it to other rosaceans and using it again. I only responded to point out your wierd behavior. IT DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU THAN MOVE ON. NORITATE DOES NOT WORK FOR THE MAJORITY OF ROSACEANS YET THAT DOES NOT MAKE EVERY DOCTOR THAT PRESCRIBES IT A SCAM ARTIST. ALSO; he does not list the ingredients because he is going for a patent. And the cream has helped alot of people since I am in contact with him.PLEASE MOVE ON!

[Buster]

I agree that there is not sense in getting stuck in the mud. This only drains away energy that can be spent on trying to relax and try to enjoy.
I have good experiences with Dr Syed, although his cream was too heavy for my t-zone, but my two creams are CCC and Cutanix, and I dont think there is anything better out there for seborrheic/seborrhea skin.
I know one guy who has had good results with Syeds cream.

I recently tried Elidel, and it was bad for my skin. It clogged pores and it irritated my skin. They dont understand how to make bases that suits skin with seborrhea, even though they target this cream towards those very groups, like people with seb derm. Syeds cream did not do any worse than the Elidel. I think it is a much gentler base., even though it is still too heavy for my skin.

So please try to let it go and move on. This is a very good tip that you should take.

Best wishes
Mads