These foods ok?

[tp912]

I will add foods as I desire them :)

Peanut butter?
Rice-A-Roni?
Kettle Korn?

[MissD]

What makes you think they're not ok?

[tp912]

Just making sure.

I've read PB can increase test levels

[Yvette]

Hi -

If you are acne/papule prone I'd avoid peanuts and peanut butter.

Yvette

[tp912]

Just flushing here. Doesn't say much tho lol

[MissD]

Please don't become obsessive about food and what would or wouldn't cause flushing. If I did this it would cause me more problems than I already have as far as food is concerned.

If you want peanut butter, rice or Kettle Korn then have at it. Peanut butter won't give you acne (where is the data on that?) rice won't make you flush unless maybe it's too hot and Kettle Korn isn't going to make your rosacea worse. The only obvious trigger would be hot/spicy food and beverages but if it eases your mind, keep a flushing diary and note down when/what time you flush and if you ate anything recently. If you notice after a week or two that you always flush after eating, say, strawberries, then you know where to go from there.

[Yvette]

Hi MissD,

I wouldn't have suggested it if there weren't some information about peanut butter and acne. Of course, everyone is different, some may have no problem with it, but there are references that it has potential to cause acne. Probably because it's high in Omega 6 fatty acids (we need more Omega 3 in our diet) and some say it increases androgens. See some reference sites below.

Again, information only, eat what you like of course. However, if you have papules/acne - investigating foods that may trigger it can't hurt. Food allergies can be a culprit too.

Cheers.

Yvette


http://facerealityacneclinic.com/acne_facts.html
http://www.skinclinic.com/acne.htm
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/peanut-butter-cuase-acne-t194009.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_4734486_out-what-foods-trigger-acne.htmlhttp://www.absoluteacneinfo.com/fats.html

[MissD]

Hi MissD,

I wouldn't have suggested it if there weren't some information about peanut butter and acne. Of course, everyone is different, some may have no problem with it, but there are references that it has potential to cause acne. Probably because it's high in Omega 6 fatty acids (we need more Omega 3 in our diet) and some say it increases androgens. See some reference sites below.

Again, information only, eat what you like of course. However, if you have papules/acne - investigating foods that may trigger it can't hurt. Food allergies can be a culprit too.

Cheers.

Yvette


http://facerealityacneclinic.com/acne_facts.html
http://www.skinclinic.com/acne.htm
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/peanut-butter-cuase-acne-t194009.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_4734486_out-what-foods-trigger-acne.htmlhttp://www.absoluteacneinfo.com/fats.html

Ok, thanks for those links. I asked you before about the peanut butter - acne thing and got no response.

True, different people will have different reactions to things. There has been a study that suggested an increase in carbs increases acne, but that doesn't seem to be the case with me personally. So again I suggest to the OP to start a flushing/food diary if you haven't already and see if you can spot any consistencies, but try not to stress about it too much.

[MissD]

Ok, thanks for those links. I asked you before about the peanut butter - acne thing and got no response.

True, different people will have different reactions to things. There has been a study that suggested an increase in carbs increases acne, but that doesn't seem to be the case with me personally. So again I suggest to the OP to start a flushing/food diary if you haven't already and see if you can spot any consistencies, but try not to stress about it too much.

Sorry for quoting myself, but I looked up any possible studies that supported what those links said about in the correlation with androgens, peanut butter, and acne and I found nothing, nor did I find any reliable information on "high-androgen foods"...

[Yvette]

Hi -

If these comments/references are posted on acne clinic and acne.org sites then obviously some people feel there is a possible connection. I was merely making a suggestion. Even my Derm's have said higher fat, dairy, and sugar in our diets can cause acne problems. Peanut butter isn't non-fat.

Do with the information you will.

Yvette

[MissD]

Hi -

If these comments/references are posted on acne clinic and acne.org sites then obviously some people feel there is a possible connection. I was merely making a suggestion. Even my Derm's have said higher fat, dairy, and sugar in our diets can cause acne problems. Peanut butter isn't non-fat.

Do with the information you will.

Yvette

Well no, it isn't non-fat but if you make your own or get a decent brand without additives it contains mostly healthy fats, which promote healthy skin, hair and nails.

Thanks for the suggestion though, I appreciate it.

[phlika29]

This is one of those topics that nobody can agree on so as previously stated it is best left to the individual to try and see for themselves.

I personally do not think there has to be a scientific study before something can be given any weight. Many areas of life can not be easily put into that scientific box. But I am moving off topic-to add a tiny bit of qualitative data -peanuts make my acne alot worse. I tried this little theory once again last week and my acne got worse again.

There are lots of studies about the role of diet and even more studies evaluating those studies ( i have uploaded one as an example). From what I understand it is a difficult subject to get to the bottom oflaugh:

[MissD]

There are lots of studies about the role of diet and even more studies evaluating those studies ( i have uploaded one as an example). From what I understand it is a difficult subject to get to the bottom oflaugh:

Now that is more like it laugh: Thank you!

[MasK]

Peanuts are very high in histamine, and very allergenic.
Thus if your rosacea is linked to a food allergy, it is better to try a low dose of peanuts and see what happens.
The last time I ate peanuts in a bar, I spent 3 weeks with eczema, so hard that the first week I barely can't sleep, and my face was flushing as hell.
But everybody is different, and we don't react to the same foods.
So, be careful with histamine foods like bananas, avocados, peanuts, some canned fishs...etc and see what happens!
Good luck!

[Yvette]

Hi Sara,

Thanks for posting the acne diet.

It's unfortunate this thread got out of control and that there are many more food besides "hot and spicy" that trigger acne and Rosacea. I'm not an expert and never proclaimed to be - always open to suggestions and exchanging information. I do have a degree in Health/Nutrition and in Accounting so I know some health and nutrition principles. Anyway, too bad, others aren't as open-minded; take information for what it's worth, use what you can and leave the rest. Goodness.

Thanks MasK for your post as well.

Regards,

Yvette

[MasK]

Hi Sara,

Thanks for posting the acne diet.

It's unfortunate this thread got out of control and that there are many more food besides "hot and spicy" that trigger acne and Rosacea. I'm not an expert and never proclaimed to be - always open to suggestions and exchanging information. I do have a degree in Health/Nutrition and in Accounting so I know some health and nutrition principles. Anyway, too bad, others aren't as open-minded; take information for what it's worth, use what you can and leave the rest. Goodness.

Thanks MasK for your post as well.

Regards,

Yvette

I don't personnally need any study on this or that to see what happens with my body when I eat certain foods.
Everyone must listen to themselves, learn to see the reactions, make links to the food because in my experience, food is the trigger, to improvement or to make things worse. You can solve a lot of health problems with a diet that is adaptated.
My doctor gives a diet to ppl who have multiple sclerosis, recto colitis, or crohn's disease. They go to a point with that diet where they have absolutely no more symptoms of the problem. Isn't that incredible? I've met some of these persons, they are REAL persons like you and me. So, how could one think that this is not possible that diet makes a REAL difference in health? Everything you eat has a role, change you. You ARE what you eat. This is my opinion and sorry if I'm out of the thread subject, but this is a great hope us. I've so much difference in my condition since I changed my diet.
So yes, paying attention to what you eat, even if there are no "proofs" is important. Because I'm sick with cow milk, and my sister isn't.
Best wishes.

[MissD]

Hi Sara,

Thanks for posting the acne diet.

It's unfortunate this thread got out of control and that there are many more food besides "hot and spicy" that trigger acne and Rosacea. I'm not an expert and never proclaimed to be - always open to suggestions and exchanging information. I do have a degree in Health/Nutrition and in Accounting so I know some health and nutrition principles. Anyway, too bad, others aren't as open-minded; take information for what it's worth, use what you can and leave the rest. Goodness.

Thanks MasK for your post as well.

Regards,

Yvette

Out of control? Just because I have a different opinion from everyone else here doesn't mean I'm closed minded or that this thread got "out of control", it's completely on topic. I just don't want people that don't have problems with food to suddenly make it a huge issue because I know what that is like.

[queta]

Out of control? Just because I have a different opinion from everyone else here doesn't mean I'm closed minded or that this thread got "out of control", it's completely on topic. I just don't want people that don't have problems with food to suddenly make it a huge issue because I know what that is like.

Hi
I think part of the problem is that it is hard to communicate emotions on the forum. Sometimes when a person posts something to help others and people question it and want the supporting research data, etc, they can feel a little defensive or attacked. I know I have. One night I came home late and wanted to quickly update my progress and was immediately questioned. I felt like, "Why did I bother taking my time to post?" Then I had to spend more time defending what I said...it can get exhausting. The person who questioned it was irritated that he had spent a lot of money on supplements he bought based on other people's experiences they described on the forum. Unfortunately, that's the way life goes. A lot of things my derm has suggested haven't helped either. Oh well.

I guess it depends on your philosophy. I think it is up to people making changes in their lives to do some of their own research as well. You will encounter a lot of different perspectives on this forum, some people who advocate dietary changes, some who advocate IPL and low level red light therapy, some people who think red light therapy is worthless, etc. I think the problem is that we are all so busy these days that when we post something to help someone we feel it's an additional burden to provide all kinds of supporting evidence. Like I said before, I at least think it is up to the person making changes in their life to do some research of their own as well. If we are all expected to provide scientific evidence for everything we say on here, most of us will end up saying nothing. I know I will because I simply don't have the time. It's more about sharing our own anecdotal experiences. If we just want the information that the scientific community has provided, we can probably get that from our individual derms. I have learned so much from other people on this forum, but some of it hasn't applied to me personally. I know that my own case is heavily influenced by diet; many others do not have that experience. Red light therapy has been a Godsend for many on the forum; for me it made my flushing worse. Am I upset that I dished out $600 for something that made me worse? No. I did my own research as much as possible and made the decision. The people who posted their success with it were just sharing their own experience.
Regards
Queta


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[MissD]

Hi
I think part of the problem is that it is hard to communicate emotions on the forum....
Regards
Queta


I understand what you're saying. Another problem is that the internet tends to depersonalize people so when someone posts they forget there is an actual person on the other end and I admit I have that fault a lot. If someone in real life were to ask for advice I'd be far less... what's the word... aggressive, I guess. So I apologize if it seems like I ever attack anybody because I certainly don't mean it to come across that way.

What I don't like is people posting advice that seems really outlandish to me and I like at least some sort of legit support for what is written instead of taking it without question - and like in this thread I admit when I'm wrong but honestly, I think those who come in asking for what food might make them flush is like asking what food you might be allergic to - we don't know and it's silly to start restricting or drastically altering your diet just because of what some people on an internet forum said. I hope that makes sense and again I'm sorry if I offended or misunderstood anybody.

[Yvette]

Hi Queta,

I agree with you. Thank you for your post.

The original poster, TP912, was asking about certain foods and if they were okay or not. He said in another post "wondered if these foods increase androgen levels". All I suggested, is that peanut butter has been posted on several internet sites as having a potential to cause acne flares - if you're acne prone you may want to avoid it. Am I suggesting to give up all food? No. I believe - eat what you like in moderation. If specific food triggers your Rosacea, acne, or allergies - you have a choice to stop eating it or not. Nobody is going to force you to do something you don't want. If the information or comments don't apply that's cool.

Cheers,

Yvette

[Brady Barrows]

Please don't become obsessive about food and what would or wouldn't cause flushing. If I did this it would cause me more problems than I already have as far as food is concerned.

If you want peanut butter, rice or Kettle Korn then have at it. Peanut butter won't give you acne (where is the data on that?) rice won't make you flush unless maybe it's too hot and Kettle Korn isn't going to make your rosacea worse. The only obvious trigger would be hot/spicy food and beverages but if it eases your mind, keep a flushing diary and note down when/what time you flush and if you ate anything recently. If you notice after a week or two that you always flush after eating, say, strawberries, then you know where to go from there.

Here is the data on acne and food: Diet and Acne Page (http://www.rosaceans.com/acnediet.php)

[MissD]

Hi Queta,

I agree with you. Thank you for your post.

The original poster, TP912, was asking about certain foods and if they were okay or not. He said in another post "wondered if these foods increase androgen levels". All I suggested, is that peanut butter has been posted on several internet sites as having a potential to cause acne flares - if you're acne prone you may want to avoid it. Am I suggesting to give up all food? No. I believe - eat what you like in moderation. If specific food triggers your Rosacea, acne, or allergies - you have a choice to stop eating it or not. Nobody is going to force you to do something you don't want. If the information or comments don't apply that's cool.

Cheers,

Yvette

I didn't know that "test levels" referred to "androgen levels", sorry. I guess I was confused about that and overlooked it.

And yes Barrows, I'm aware that diet could potentially effect acne as the study focusing on carbohydrates shows but I never heard of peanut butter being a possible factor until now.

[Brady Barrows]

I didn't know that "test levels" referred to "androgen levels", sorry. I guess I was confused about that and overlooked it.

And yes Barrows, I'm aware that diet could potentially effect acne as the study focusing on carbohydrates shows but I never heard of peanut butter being a possible factor until now.

If the Peanut Butter has added sugar there is a trigger waiting to happen. Usually peanut butter in small amounts without sugar can be tolerated up to a point. But eating a jar of peanut butter without sugar is still high carbohydrate. One tablespoon might be tolerated without flushing or a flare up. Just experiment and find out.

[tp912]

I asked about PB because I remember last time I ate PB for about a week every day for lunch I had deep flushing a few days later that lasted about 3-4 days. It may or may not have been the PB.

[Brady Barrows]

I asked about PB because I remember last time I ate PB for about a week every day for lunch I had deep flushing a few days later that lasted about 3-4 days. It may or may not have been the PB.

Was the peanut butter with or without sugar? And as previously mentioned, you may want to test for a peanut allergy since this is a factor.

[MasK]

I asked about PB because I remember last time I ate PB for about a week every day for lunch I had deep flushing a few days later that lasted about 3-4 days. It may or may not have been the PB.

In my point of view, if you have noticed that peanut butter gives you flushes, just stop eating it. It doesn't matter if you're not "allergic" in a blood test, Ige or whatever.
I'm sure life could be possible without peanut butter lol laugh:
In Europe, we do not have peanut butter and I can assure you that we are humans (or very near of it) :D
More seriously, avoid foods that make you flush, and I'm sure that you're condition will be more easy to live with. And if you want to add something that works, at least for a lot of ppl, omega3 oils like colza oils and flax oils reduce inflammation in the body. Just try to see if it works for you.
Good luck!

[Melissa W]

In Europe, we do not have peanut butter and I can assure you that we are humans (or very near of it) :D


Really? Is this true or are you just kidding us? I would happily send you guys a jar if you want. It is delicious stuff yes:


More seriously, avoid foods that make you flush, and I'm sure that you're condition will be more easy to live with

Excellent advice. Since there is no universal rule about what works for everyone or what flares everyone the best thing is to tailor your diet and lifestyle for what works for you. And that includes avoiding your known flares. At least as best you can without making a serious dent in your quality of life. And as MasK posted, avoiding peanut butter won't make a serious dent in life quality for anyone.
Though it is delicious http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/files/chunkstyle.gif


Best wishes,
Melissa

[MasK]

[QUOTE=Melissa W;219370]Really? Is this true or are you just kidding us? I would happily send you guys a jar if you want. It is delicious stuff yes:

Lol we have peanut butter but it is not very popular. But we have Nutella (sorry for the brand :D ), it is chocolate-nuts taste and you put it on bread like peanut butter. It is veeeery popular, but full of hydrogenated fats, and saturated ones, and maybe 80% sugar lol. Not in my rosacea-diet at all!

[MissD]

Really? Is this true or are you just kidding us? I would happily send you guys a jar if you want. It is delicious stuff yes:

Lol we have peanut butter but it is not very popular. But we have Nutella (sorry for the brand :D ), it is chocolate-nuts taste and you put it on bread like peanut butter. It is veeeery popular, but full of hydrogenated fats, and saturated ones, and maybe 80% sugar lol. Not in my rosacea-diet at all!

Yikes. You could just make some - all you need is a food processor, unsalted peanuts, peanut oil and maybe a small pinch of salt. Much better than store bought.

Also almond butter - blanched almonds and almond oil.

[bluesky]

Peanut butter is a no no for me... not because of redness or flares or anything but because I don't want to face additional acne. I LOVE peanut butter though, not so much sandwhiches or anything but just eating it off the spoon or dipping my apples and the like in it, oh, and peanut butter on toasted english muffins and the peanut butter gets all melty and goo-ey... soooo good!

I know my sister eats it ALOT but she has very mild acne and it doesn't seem to cause much issue if any for her. She actually has a very unhealthy junk diet in general and then yet I over here eat a very very strict healthy diet yet break out constantly and am red 24/7, ha.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic, onto the peanut butter, while I don't eat it everyday I let myself have some with apple slices maybe every month or so. I am overly paranoid though about food so this probably is a little drastic, if the original poster doesn't suffer from acne or the like then I think you could try incorporating it slowly and take note if you see any ill effects. I.e just eat it once and then see if you flush etc. and take it from there.

[dave75]

Over several months of altering my diet, i've had phenomenal success....i am by no means cured - I still have to take oracea. Prior to the diet change I was having some very bad flare-ups even while on oracea. With the new new diet, my facial redness is practically gone. So a vigilant diet + oracea has been what has really worked well for me. I cut out refined sugars(sugary drinks, candy, etc.) and red meat (hamburgers etc.) I eat mostly fish for protein and eat lots of salads - i try to have one a day. I haven't cut out all carbs, I eat a whole grain cereal in the mornings and eat spelt bread. Sometimes I'll have corn chips or potato chips, so my diet isn't a total downer. I'll even splurge for a hamburger on a rare occasion. Bottom line, you need to experiment with what works and what doesn't for you. I heard that ghandi used to eat the same thing for a month straight to see how it affected his body. that's pretty wild! Its amazing how much crap food we eat...all this processed crap in boxes and cans and such. and then there's the chemicals put into the food for "extra taste" or preservation. I try to eat food in its "natural form" as much as possible. best of luck! take care, dave

[Yvette]

Great to hear Dave - yeah!

Regards,

Yvette