What kind of water is best to use ?

[Adamklang]

Hey all.

I have seb derm, and have read about a few people who, says that tap water isn't the best for seb derm or rosacea. This is to be used in the face in the morning/evening. But what water is best then?

Some says its Spring water? - But where you gonna get that? - And what is so special about that?

Others say distilled water - Whats that ? - And whats special about that :D?

Hope you will give your input people :)

Thank u.

[allibear]

Well I got very health consious this year and did switch to drinking bottled mineral water insted of guzzling the tap stuff but I think that would start getting a bit pricey to start using it to wash my face with!shock:

I guess it would depend what the water is like in your area. Where I live the water is quite soft but I remember when I lived in London the water was very hard and a bit harsher, I always thought it made the hair look dull.

You can get the spring water sprays, like the Avene Thermal Spring water which are used after cleansing, a bit like a toner, or to rehydrate with through the day. Mind you I tried one and I thought my face felt even drier after using it.

I don't know what other people do but good old fashioned from the tap for washing and cleansing is what I use and I had a bit of a seb derm overlap going on when my Rosacea was quite bad last year. I think starting to buy bottled water to wash the face with would be a bit too 'Hollywood' for me and my usual standard of living laugh: but I would certainly be interested to know if anyone actually goes to the extent of buying bottled waters to cleanse their face with.

[phlika29]

There are very specific regulations that control the use of words like spring, natural mineral, bottled,etc. Natural mineral water is water that is sold for its natural mineral content and can actually be quite high in things like sodium. Legally nothing much is allowed to be done to the water before it is bottled.

Spring water and bottled water do not have such restrictions and can have certain things added and treatment is allowed to be treated before bottling.

With regards washing your face then I think that softer water is meant to be a little kinder to your skin. If I remember correctly distilled water is/was used by Artist and she found it helpful. Distilled water tends to be sold from pharmacies (in the UK).

[Melissa W]

In the US you can buy distilled water from the supermarkets.
I use it to clean my jewelry yes: but never tried it for my face.
I also notice no difference when I am using soft vs hard water on my face. Not like my hair which does not like hard water.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-distilled-water.htm


Natural water usually contains a number of microscopic contaminants, along with dissolved minerals such as calcium (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-calcium.htm) and iron. One way to remove these elements from water is to boil it until it changes to steam, a process known as distillation. When this steam is allowed to cool down and condense into liquid form again, the result is a purified form called distilled water. Distilled water should ideally be nothing but hydrogen (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-hydrogen.htm) and oxygen (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-oxygen.htm) molecules, with a PH level of 7 and no additional gases, minerals or contaminants.
The distilling process relies on the principle that most solid materials found in water are heavier than the water molecules themselves. When water is heated in a distiller, any dissolved solids such as salt, bacteria, calcium or iron remain solid while the pure water converts to a much lighter steam and is drawn out for condensation. Distilled water has a noticeably bland taste because all of the minerals which give water its flavor have been removed.
Distilled water is safe to drink, but it is used more often for research purposes where water purity is essential or industrial uses where mineral deposits (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-distilled-water.htm#) can cause damage over time. Distilled water may also be used in steam irons (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-steam-iron.htm) to prevent calcium build-up, but this requirement has generally been relaxed in recent years. Certain baby formulas may use distilled water as a mixing liquid as well. Pediatric bottled water formulated with additional electrolytes (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-electrolyte.htm) may use a distilled water base as well.
There is some controversy over the use of distilled water as a healthier alternative to tap, spring or purified water (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-purified-water.htm). One camp suggests that distilled water is beneficial since it contains no impurities or minerals and helps flush away excess minerals and toxins from the body. Another camp believes that distilled water leaches essential minerals from the body and could leave teeth vulnerable to damage. Distilled water does not contain sodium (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-sodium.htm) fluoride (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-flouride-water-filters.htm), unlike many municipal water systems.
There is some evidence that distilled water does absorb carbon (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-carbon.htm) dioxide when exposed to air, and this could conceivably lower the pH to a more acidic level. This increased acidity can in turn create more health problems. Proponents of distilled water suggest that humans receive far more minerals and nutrients from food than water, so the effects of distilled water on the body should be minimal at best.


http://www.carefair.com/Nutrition/Hard_Water_vs_Soft_Water_624.html


The term “hard” refers to the concentration of calcium and magnesium ions present in the water. Hard water causes a problem when any type of cleansing takes place because it takes twice as much shampoo, detergent, etcetera to achieve the same level of cleanliness that it would with soft water. And on top of that, when cleansing agents combine with the calcium and magnesium ions, it forms a film that is very difficult (if not impossible) to rinse off. The film will attach to clothes, dishes, bathtubs as well as skin (http://www.carefair.com/Nutrition/Hard_Water_vs_Soft_Water_624.html#) and hair, clogging pores and weighing down and dulling hair.

[SkincareKev]

I like to use distilled water. My regular tap water tends to be hard, which irritates my face. Those thermal waters are filled with minerals which upsets my SD. Distilled water has been purified to the point where there is nothing in it. It is very inexpensive and works great for me.

[allibear]

Interesting Melissa. So we can simply make our own distilled water by boiling the tap water :idea: and of course you can also get the water softeners and filter kits to use at home if the water in your area is not very good.

I remember reading an article on the detoxing and it is recommended to drink distilled water only during detoxing to flush your sysytem but for no more than 4 weeks and then to switch back to mineral water as it is also a valuable source of minerals needed by the body. (I know, nothing to do with washing your face but I thought I'd throw it inlaugh:)

I found that when I lived in an area with hard water it did leave a residue on the bath and in sinks, never thought about that being left on your skin and hairshock: any wonder the hair always looked a bit dull.

[nwc]

distilled water in plastic bottles are a total rip off! it is in fact not distilled and every bottle will prove it with tests. and it's replaced with toxins from the container. if to use distilled water it's best to make it at home. buying a distilling machine or boiling water for 10 minutes is good.

[boyandhisdog]

distilled water in plastic bottles are a total rip off! it is in fact not distilled and every bottle will prove it with tests. and it's replaced with toxins from the container. if to use distilled water it's best to make it at home. buying a distilling machine or boiling water for 10 minutes is good.

Would you be so kind as to provide some actual proof of your claim that distilled water in a bottle is a "total rip off"?
While you do that, could you please elaborate on the plastic "toxins".
Lastly, boiling water for 10 minutes simply makes very hot water. The action of distilling requires that it be turned to steam and then cooled back into a liquid form again (as noted already in the posts above).
Rob

[nwc]

Would you be so kind as to provide some actual proof of your claim that distilled water in a bottle is a "total rip off"?
While you do that, could you please elaborate on the plastic "toxins".
Lastly, boiling water for 10 minutes simply makes very hot water. The action of distilling requires that it be turned to steam and then cooled back into a liquid form again (as noted already in the posts above).
Rob

it's all in the test strips "baby"! i use to work for likely the most major and most famous companies in the world as a lab titrator in research and devolopment. once upon a time our distilled machine broke down and i had critial tests to perform due immediatey... so my cordinator went to the major grocery store and bought all brands and everything on the shelf and brought it back to me.... mind you i have the best accuracy scores in this companies history... but that has nothing to do with paper strips testing distilled water. once it was brought back.... ALLLLLL bottles had FAILED!!!!!!!! my corrdinator personaly phoned every company to tell them and they all said basicaly "piss off" except for one company. they apologised and then said they'd make us a fresh bash and personaly deliver it to us with everything free of charge. abracadabra!!!!!! they delievered it and the test strips showed it was indeed distilled!!!!

now... if you want facts on how plastic comtaminates all water including distilled so claimed to be... that's an easy google search. ;)

boiling water for 10 minutes kills germs.... it's only hot while over the burner... it does indeed cool down over time after you take it off that burner. boiling kills germs. it's the generic way to distilling vs buying a distilling machine.

[nwc]

ps

didn't someone else comment about melissas post mentioning boiling water? it's deleted. it was erik or...

i didn't see his post until after i posted and i couldn't find melissas comment about boiling. it was there.. but it isn't now.

[Melissa W]

ps

didn't someone else comment about melissas post mentioning boiling water? it's deleted. it was erik or...

i didn't see his post until after i posted and i couldn't find melissas comment about boiling. it was there.. but it isn't now.

Absolutely nothing was deleted nwc.

Best wishes,
Melissa

[boyandhisdog]

NWC,
Distillation of water is not just about removing germs. Boiling of water does impact germs, but distillation removes all of the solid contaminants as well. Simply boiling water is not the "generic distillation" of water. I would think someone that worked for a testing company with a distillation machine would know that. There are any number of water purification methods and distillation is a very specific process. There is bleach additives, UV light, and boiling but they specifically kill germs. I can purchase a UV filter for my well and it will kill the choliform bacteria but it wouldn't remove solid contaminants. Distillation is the specific process whereby water is turned into steam and then recondensed in a seperate container leaving the solids behind in the first container. Boiling is not "generic distillation"- it's just boiling. Water isn't generic wine, it's just water.
That is why distilled water tastes different than other forms of purified water- no minerals, etc. In addition, distilled water is recommended for use in your iron and many other purposes due to its lack of solids. Distilled water will limit solid residues in your equipment. Simply boiling water in a pot and allowing it to cool in the same pot accomplishes nothing in the way of removing solids.
As for your proof - it's an anecdotal personal story about the "most major and most famous" company in the world. Like, oh my god, totally I am so convinced now. It must be true. I personally like my proof to at least have a study or a name before I make a libelous claim.
I did a google search and I determined that plastic water bottles are perfectly safe. http://www.plasticsinfo.org/s_plasticsinfo/sec_generic.asp?CID=657&DID=2605 Besides, Adam was asking about what is the best to wash with for seb derm- not drink.
However, during my google search per your suggestion, I did also learn that there are any number of people that believe any number of things. I found that the world is flat on a google search, bigfoot is alive in the northwest, people believe they are psychic, and I also learned that the holocaust never happened. It's all on google so it must all be true.
Forgive me but I'm really quite frustrated with people espousing opinions here as complete and utter fact to people that may not know any better.
Best,
Rob

[nwc]

NWC,
Distillation of water is not just about removing germs. Boiling of water does impact germs, but distillation removes all of the solid contaminants as well. Simply boiling water is not the "generic distillation" of water. I would think someone that worked for a testing company with a distillation machine would know that. There are any number of water purification methods and distillation is a very specific process. There is bleach additives, UV light, and boiling but they specifically kill germs. I can purchase a UV filter for my well and it will kill the choliform bacteria but it wouldn't remove solid contaminants. Distillation is the specific process whereby water is turned into steam and then recondensed in a seperate container leaving the solids behind in the first container. Boiling is not "generic distillation"- it's just boiling. Water isn't generic wine, it's just water.
That is why distilled water tastes different than other forms of purified water- no minerals, etc. In addition, distilled water is recommended for use in your iron and many other purposes due to its lack of solids. Distilled water will limit solid residues in your equipment. Simply boiling water in a pot and allowing it to cool in the same pot accomplishes nothing in the way of removing solids.
As for your proof - it's an anecdotal personal story about the "most major and most famous" company in the world. Like, oh my god, totally I am so convinced now. It must be true. I personally like my proof to at least have a study or a name before I make a libelous claim.
I did a google search and I determined that plastic water bottles are perfectly safe. http://www.plasticsinfo.org/s_plasticsinfo/sec_generic.asp?CID=657&DID=2605 Besides, Adam was asking about what is the best to wash with for seb derm- not drink.
However, during my google search per your suggestion, I did also learn that there are any number of people that believe any number of things. I found that the world is flat on a google search, bigfoot is alive in the northwest, people believe they are psychic, and I also learned that the holocaust never happened. It's all on google so it must all be true.
Forgive me but I'm really quite frustrated with people espousing opinions here as complete and utter fact to people that may not know any better.
Best,
Rob

hey rob...

am i really interested in attacking back because of your sarcastic and rude comments??? and for someone to claim and write so much about distilled water... and you never heard that plastic ruins it from being distilled???? a lot of people know that. in fact.. phone the companies and they will likely tell you that within 30 days it will no longer be distilled.

and rob.. i NEVER mentioned anything about DRINKING the water... i made a factual post on distilled water. then i eleborated after your questioning...re-read!!!!!

boiling water..... quite a few call it a generic version of distilling because boiling water kills germs ect. by calling it generic no way implies it's distilled like distilled water.

really... what the hell is up with you rob???? and you're a mod???? gottat tell you... all the mod are nice here but you are a freaking whack in comparrison. if anyone is wrong or misimformed or you don't agree... does that give you a right to bite my head off and go all childish with stupid sh*t saying the earth is flat ect...? do me and others a favor... leave me and them alone. really.. i want no comments nor support from you.... in fact i don't want to even read anything by you because you're negative.

i mentioned about my postion at my old job because i'm proud of it and also the fact that if companies didn't care that a major company discovered their product is false and that only one company did care... then they don't care period about the public people. i mean.. how many people have test strips at home and check for it? and the fact that many are niave.
and just because i worked in a lab and very many labs with other companies... does that mean i am suppose to know every bit of info about all chemicals and water ect???? no. not me. i just do my job and what i'm trained for to do in performing my work. i have NO interest in studying about every piece of info and product.
if someones a maid... does that mean they should have every single ingrediant memorised in a can of lysol spray and how every chemical ingrediants works?

really rob... "on your bike!"

[phlika29]

NWC

I do not think that your comments for Rob are warrented. Rob is a very helpful member and moderator. None of his comments were rude to you, they were trying to point out the facts about distilled water and the fact that just because it is on the internet it doesnt mean it is true. Just because someone queries what you say it does not mean that they are being rude and any return comments should not be insulting to that person.

Moderators do a number of jobs one of which is to try to keep the information on the forum factually correct. Rob is a very good moderator.

You do appear to be getting your terms confused. Distilled water is not the same as sterilised or pasteurised. By boiling water you are hoping to reduce the bacterial load of the water, this is not distillation.

[Melissa W]

I do think tone can be misinterpreted over the internet and Rob was only doing his job as mod in keeping the facts as clear and accurate as possible. Nothing else should be interpreted from his post. He is a very valuable part of the mod team yes:

[boyandhisdog]

distilled water in plastic bottles are a total rip off! it is in fact not distilled and every bottle will prove it with tests. and it's replaced with toxins from the container. if to use distilled water it's best to make it at home. buying a distilling machine or boiling water for 10 minutes is good.

NWC,
You made a libelous claim as quoted above and stated it as fact when a member of this forum asked for help. A mods job is not to strictly offer support regardless of how wildly inaccurate the claim.
I am still allowed to have an opinion and my opinion is that Adam is looking for assistance in determining the best water for washing his face. Distilled water is believed to be beneficial to some seb derm sufferers due to it's specific content (or lack thereof). Giving him bad advice as fact, and saying just boil some water as "it's the generic way to distilling" is bad advice for Adam. He further asked what is so special about distilled water? Your answer to him was incorrect as distillation is a very specific process. And as a moderator, it would be my job to protect Adam from incorrect information. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.
I have asked you to provide definitive proof to support your statements. I didn't insult you nor attack you as a person, nor did I use vulgarity in my post as you chose to do.
I am glad you posted again as the content of your response gives any reader the litmus test they need to determine the factual accuracy of your prior posts.
Best,
Rob

[nwc]

rob

pick up some test strips and see for yourself!!! it will fail to be distilled from everything you buy if in a plastic container if not used within 30 days after it's bottled. i made this comment so people don't waste their money. i've discussed it with MANY people ..friends and other companies i've worked with where they've gone to college with chemisty and they all say the same... plastic bottles kills it being distilled!!!!!! it HAS TO BE in glass bottles to keep it distilled! even my work knew the risks that we were proaby wasting money trying to buy the water in those plastic bottles.

go pick up some strips and you'll probably reaslise i made a fact.

and yes rob.. your going off on the world is flat and psychics ect is offensive and degrading. you've blown up on others before too... you try to insult people. this isn't healtjhy approach for people nor yourself.

[boyandhisdog]

..friends and other companies i've worked with where they've gone to college with chemisty and they all say the same... plastic bottles kills it being distilled!!!!!!

go pick up some strips and you'll probably reaslise i made a fact.

and yes rob.. your going off on the world is flat and psychics ect is offensive and degrading. you've blown up on others before too... you try to insult people. this isn't healtjhy approach for people nor yourself.

laugh:laugh:
Please, keep it up NWC. The more you type the more you make my point for me about your spurious posts.

I would like to take a moment to address your point that I may have offended someone.
Therefore, if I have offended any people on this forum from the Flat Earth Society http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm, any Holocaust deniers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial, or anyone from the Psychic Hotline http://www.certifiedpsychics.com/, I deeply apologize. Of course, you would think the psychics would already know what I was going to type and wouldn't even need this forum, or a computer at all?
Moreover, if in fact Bigfoot is alive, computer literate and reading this thread, my deepest apologies to you as well for any doubts I may have cast upon your existence. I never meant to deny your existence despite the overwhelming lack of proof.
Most humbly,
Rob

[nwc]

rob... you're the one keeping it up. i am replying to you. you wanted proof... i gave you the proof i had.. experiences and word of mouth. i'm sure it's on the net if you look for it.

and regardng your attitude.. i was referring to posts you've made to members.

you're a waste of my time... you care to argue and as i said before.. get some test strips and you'll probably find your foot in your mouth.

bye... i don't find you useful nor enlighting for me and my experiences on any realm... i have nothing more to say to you.

[phlika29]

nwc I am a little confused still, what are the test strips picking up? something like the pH?

All bottled water will contain bacteria, it is after a living product. What it shouldn't contain is pathogenic bacteria that may make you ill. Boiling will reduce the bacterial load of water but it wont distill it.

However we are of course veering way off topic....

[TheMediumDog]

I think a definite advantage of using bottled water in cleansing is the constancy you're assured. I've come a cropper, on several occasions, through the cumulative effects of moving from a hard to a soft water area or vice versa. Especially if you've got seb derm, it can make quite a difference over time, when e.g. a routine which previously cleansed the skin well, now leaves a residue. The effects of even a small change can really build up; though most people's skin isn't sensitive enough to register the changes, of course.

I'm a little ashamed to admit this, since in general, I find the whole bottled water thing vaguely pathological. It is capitalism at its most ridiculous.

[Melissa W]

I for one am a big fan of capitalism yes:
However I wash with tap wink1:

[TheMediumDog]

Well enjoy it while it lasts (capitalism, not the tap). 'Cos that bad-boy's going down. Down the plughole in fact - note the joke!!

[Melissa W]

I know...less than a week left wink1:

[Bren]

laugh: It is hilarious the degree to which this thread has veered off track due to an overly large ego on the part of a couple of posters. Most ironically, perhaps, is that the largest ego appears to be that of a moderator (typically expected to remain level-headed and on point) whose lack of knowledge on the subject appears to be equal to that of the person who he is hypocritically attacking.

I would suggest that you refrain from speaking as if that which you say is fact, when it is obvious your knowledge is limited to little more than hear-say and internet searches.

Forgive me but I'm really quite frustrated with people espousing opinions here as complete and utter fact to people that may not know any better.

May I suggest you follow your own advice? And tone down the holier-than-thou, snooty, condescending tone while you're at it? It'll make people a lot less reactive to what you say and likely more willing to actually hear you out and try to explain themselves. Despite what Melissa and the others have said, it's pretty clear that you were outright attacking NWS.

I doubt he was trying to suggest that distilled water and boiled water were one in the same, especially considering the fact that he offered both as alternatives to eachother in the same sentence. An alternative doesn't always mean equivalent.

I think a definite advantage of using bottled water in cleansing is the constancy you're assured.

That's not completely true. Bottled water is a fairly loosely regulated industry, when taken as a whole. In fact, some bottled water you can buy is merely tap water that has been bottled. If you live in a location with very clean, natural sources of water you might, in fact, have "cleaner" and "safer" water coming out of your tap than you would from buying water that is merely packaging and selling tapwater from somehwere else.

Lastly, because I don't want to get too caught up in this (I deal with it everyday of my life at work) it is in fact true that plastic containers will leach chemicals and impurities into the water (or whatever else) that is stored within. Canada has recently become the first to outlaw plastic containers containing Bisphenol A for this very reason, as the chemical is leached from the containers and mimics the effect of hormones even at very miniscule, trace concentrations. We're talking parts per billion.

Just because the FDA says it's "safe" doesn't mean that it doesn't leach inpurities. It only means that the concentrations of impurities leached is considered to be safe.

Its funny because it was only today that the FDA has finally admitted that Bisphenol A might not be quite as safe as they've been claiming (likely due to the pressure from lobby groups) for so many years. See Article Here (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200810310914DOWJONESDJONLINE000572_FORTUNE5.htm)

As a rule, I'd hazard a guess that most people would be just fine using the regular old tap water you get from your sink in a western, developed nation... unless the tap is fed from a well or some other source and you find that you react badly to it, for whatever reason (perhaps the residual chlorine, or mineral content doesn't agree with your overly sensitive skin). Then you might look into using water from another source.

The need to use actual DISTILLED water (pure H2O, with no solubles) seems like complete overkill. At least in my opinion.

[boyandhisdog]

Bren
Thanks for a well written post with salient points. I am sorry if you don't approve of my posts. I don't think I started out with an attack on NWC but I apologize if it appears that way. You are right, I probably should have just let it go but for some reason that day, it just irked the crap out of me.
So, thanks for letting me have it a bit.
However, I never represented myself as a water expert so where else would I get my information- where does everyone- on the internet of course.laugh:
That said, I have owned or lived in places with well water as drinking water for the better part of my life so apparently I know just enough about water purification methods to be dangerous.
As for seb derm, we have city water and I use a filter on the shower and have found it fairly beneficial and my wife likes it very much for her hair.
So, there's that anyway.
Rob

[nwc]

first of all... trying to gather responses to all that's commented into one...

i don't have an ego! i've never once said i'm an expert with knowlege regarding water! i've learned in my own experiences with others testing... and have heard feedback from chemist, cordinators in labs ect all up and down to the like regarding distilled water sold in stores in plastic bottles are in fact not distilled any longer after 30 days! I..I...I tested every brand available at krogers... my boss did after me... they said they were aware this would likely happen because x x x and y y y ....freaking whatever they had said would be the cause... it happens!
they are the experts!!! i just do my job. and test stripes prove if it's distilled just as titrating does if you know anything about titrating... just as it had our machine wasn't working right.. factory made us a fresh batch and same test stripes in same VARIOUS DIFFERENT tubes of stripes showed it passed just as the others had failed.

honestly... i don't give a hooting damn if anyone cares to believe. i shared an experience... to even a few weeks ago with a water expert.. he even knew this!!!!! he has his own distilled machine at home to prevent this!

test stipes.... go to any chemistry store or online and buy some. ask for the best. brand makes perhaps no differance. if you want to know a brand i used... i don't remember.

boyandhisdog...

if someone saids they feel attacked... then listen to them. i've stated this clearly several times yet you still kept attacking me and stiring up off the wall and WAYYYYYYYYY off of topic sh*t to not just only attack ME..you attacked a whole hell of a lot of other people DIRECTLY!!!!!!!!
all the examples you gave trying to place ME off base... YOU attacked with your negative opnions upon peoples belief..... facts that was once percieved to be true.... others... ones that YOUUUUUUU feel current to not be true yet is for most others.
and that psychic stuff..... i'll take it privately if you care to continue with just that alone.

i've seen you attack on one member just to mention this one example alone... very much like you did with me..yet with not as many posts because he cared to back off.
i happen to agree with what that guy had said.... it opened gate ways to my thinking and the ahhhh haaaas of the links of how MY rosasea came about and eating habits.
you belittled the f*ck out of him because he SIMPLY didn't say it was his opnion.

i've been attacked on this forum many of times... and every single one of you had me wrong. i've been discrimminated for being psychc... yet i barely and every mod here knows i barely whisper any of this..and only have maybe 5 times. i keep to the rosacea topic alone. because of my beliefs i have i am claimed some destructive alien breed that even was aloud here on forum... all attackers have the same energy...it's extremely hateful and destructive. yet i am claimed the vilian. i try to help people and learn and share experiences.

all of this negative attacking certainly doesn't make one feel great at the moment! did i start it>>???? did i deserve it????

[nwc]

ps

pardon my spelling errors... i wrote "stripes".. when i was referring to "strips".

sue me for spelling errors if you'd like. perhaps i can counter sue for discrimmination if attacked for making a spelling error and being sleepy.

that's humor.

[nwc]

pss

the last thng i care to say...call it O/T or not... the topic stemmed from ths one alone.... i was going to walk away from ths forum... you know i don't need that sh*t from some people acting harshly towards me.

i did indeed find what works for me to keep my rosacea and seb derm clear. i probably very extremely likely don't need ths forum any longer!!!!!!!

but want to know what???? it's THIS forum i learned the great deal of the factor from to the what's and the why's.

i don't indentify with everyone nor do all of my diseases as to every others.... but some of us do identify and can help to find the solutions together.

[phlika29]

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