I have a favour to ask you for

[Barbara]

Dear group,

I have a favour to ask you for. Perhaps you already know the organisation PETA (People for the ethical treatment of animals). I support them with a monthly donation and I’m trying to encourage other people to do the same. Or if a monthly donation is too much just to give a single non-recurring donation to them, whatever you can afford, every amount counts! On PETA’s website you can see for yourself what cruel things are done by humans to animals (well, cruel things are done by humans even to other humans, so it’s no wonder) and how PETA is helping.

http://www.peta.com/

I know it’s not always easy to donate money, especially if we have something like rosacea to deal with, which is a barrel without bottom concerning the spent money for treatments, creams, medication and so on. But please take a minute and consider donating something. On the other side, if you can’t or don’t want to donate something that is fine, please don’t feel obliged.

If there is just one donation caused by my message than it was worth writing it.

:pig: :albino: :cat: :monkey: :elephant: :nemo: :fish: :alien:

Thank you and take care all,

Barbara

[Melissa W]

Hi Barbara,

My husband and I give as much as we can to animal charities. In fact, we just attended a party for a friend's birthday whose request for her gift was that everyone give to JAC which is a no kill shelter in NJ.

My heart breaks for all the poor homeless animals that are killed needlessly every day. They can't speak up for themselves and need people to help them. Thanks for caring!

We will donate to PETA because of your request.
Thanks again!

Best wishes,
Melissa

[Barbara]

Dear Melissa

Thank you and your husband very much for caring for animals and giving donations for animal’s charity. It’s always heart warming and encouraging meeting and hearing from other people in what ways they are helping. I think your friend’s idea asking for donation for an animal shelter instead of birthday presents is wonderful.

So thanks again for making a donation to PETA cause of my request and letting me know this. It makes my heart jumping out of joy and I feel solidarity with you, even if we are so far away from each other. I send you and your husband a BIG HUG!

Best wishes,
Barbara

[Melissa W]

Hi Barbara,

Big hugs right back at you!!

Best wishes,
Melissa

[redhotoz]

Nice request Barbara. I've just moved into my new home and now have 4 chickens (I left 3 behind for my tenants at the old house), 1 cat, 1 dog, 2 Zebra Finches, 2 Budgies and 4 Koi. I'm also thinking about getting a sheep to keep the back grass down. :lol: My animal collection will no doubt increase over time, as I get to know the local community groups and take in more strays! :lol:

Best of luck.

Jen

[Melissa W]

We got the PETA welcome packet a few weeks ago.
It is overwhelming how many animals are abused, hurt and in need of help. :(

Any small thing people can do really can make a difference!

[nwc]

once in california i saw a bunch of protesters at the circus... i pulled over to help display abuse signs to the traffic and people attending the circus for awareness of the abuse of the animals they do and recommending to not support this circus.
they clearly flat out abuse those animals and many circus's have been shut down because of it.

it turned out to be peta i had joined up with.

i'm not vegan or vegetarian any longer.... but abusing animals really gets to me and killing for sport.
and to kill for food... they really should give the animals a better life. mind you... the terorr that was in the animals.... we eat that energy ourselves unless we bless/ clear the energies out of the food... but still is best to be avoided.

other ways i help some people.... i give to non kill shelters.... they really need contributions!!!!!!! most people don't get their pets from them because they know they won't be killed. and many of these people take car of the animals right out of their own pocket and can't afford it.

so i give food, cleaning supplies, once a plastic dog house and toys ect.

there are many free offers online from pet food companies....... i get those everytime... coupons for a free bag or samples.... i give this away too.
dog food and all cat food that isn't of my cats brand she eats.. i collect and give away.

[Melissa W]

That's great nwc.

My husband and I give to only animal charities. Peace plantation, Best Friends, ASPCA, JAC, small no kill shelters, and now PETA, etc.

I also volunteer when I can with local animal shelters.

It makes me sick when I think of people who kill for sport, people who wear fur, etc. I am not a radical but cannot stand the murder of animals for selfish reasons.

Thanks for all that you and all animal lovers do. Every little bit helps! :D

Best wishes,
Melissa

[nwc]

cool beans melissa! :D

[nwc]

free peta stickers for kids (and adults :))... only valid in USA and Canada

http://www.petakids.com/free_stickers.asp

[Barbara]

Nice request Barbara. I've just moved into my new home and now have 4 chickens (I left 3 behind for my tenants at the old house), 1 cat, 1 dog, 2 Zebra Finches, 2 Budgies and 4 Koi. I'm also thinking about getting a sheep to keep the back grass down. :lol: My animal collection will no doubt increase over time, as I get to know the local community groups and take in more strays! :lol:

Best of luck.

Jen

Jen, are you sure you didn't move to the wrong address? It sounds more like an animal shelter to me than a normal house. :wink: You could place a big sign in front of your house: All strays welcome, please come in.

Best of luck to you too,
Barbara

[Barbara]

We got the PETA welcome packet a few weeks ago.
It is overwhelming how many animals are abused, hurt and in need of help. :(

Any small thing people can do really can make a difference!

Melissa, I agree with you. In the latest newsletter I received from PETA there was a campaign against bullfight/corrida that is done in Spain. There were pictures of tortured and dying bulls. I felt sick. People are so sick! I just can't understand how any person can feel joy and fun in watching an animal beeing tortured and killed just fo pure entertainment. These people are so sick! I could walk through this arena and hit something hard on the heads of these spectators and ask them if there is any brainpower or sensitivity inside...I really get militant thinking about these people :evil:

And you are also right that any small thing people can do really can make a difference. There are so many different ways to help: donating, adopting animals from shelters, spend food, beeing vegetarian or even vegan, teaching your children to love and respect animals, reporting situations were animal are not beeing treated well, giving strays a home, buying cosmetics that has not been tested on animals and so on...endless list!

My husband and I are vegetarians since 12 years now. The reason we started were animals rights, but after this long time we also found out the benfits for health. We havn't made the step to living vegan though but we try our best to go as far in this direction as it is possible for us.

Best wishes,
Barbara

[Melissa W]

Hi Barbara,

I tried the Vegan lifestyle for about 4 years (in my twenties) and it wreaked havoc on my health. I became way too thin (I'm 5'6" and weighed at that time about 102) and my hair lost all shine and body. I was eating as balanced a diet as I could when I was a vegan but it is very hard to maintain because you have to be creative and make sure you have a complete protein. Very difficult and time consuming and I never was able to master it to the point that my health didn't suffer.

So even though I love animals I had to give up the vegan lifestyle and go back to being a vegetarian that eats fish. I feel sad about eating fish because they are living creatures and I don't like the fact that I contribute to their demise by creating a need for them as a food source. :(

That doesn't mean you can't successfully do it but I decided it was too extreme a lifestyle for me. I admire people who can sacrifice like that. But as I said before we do what we can and every little bit helps!

Thanks Barbara for starting this thread!
I feel a kindred spirit with all the animal lovers here. :D

All the best,
Melissa

[Melissa W]

PS Barbara, I totally agree with you about the bullfights in Spain. It makes me nauseous to think of them. I also don't understand how people can be so cruel and insensitive and disgusting and experience joy at watching the suffering of a poor animal. It makes me physically sick. I honestly can't comprehend how these peoples minds work. I mean do they also torture helpless babies just to watch them suffer?

I believe that these types of people are monsters. I also think the world would be better off without people like this. Those awful girls who burned that poor kitten (I couldn't even click on to the original link provided by Laura)- I truly think they should be put in jail forever or burned to bits. See, I get violent also :evil: thinking about people hurting helpless, innocent animals!

Sorry for the rant but I just get all worked up and aggravated when I think of stuff like this :cry:

Best wishes,
Melissa

[nwc]

it's just apart of their culture. they were raised this way. it's the way of life in spain ect as a part of..and to be looked up to and so on. and fortunately times are changing now.... more awareness ect. just as the medievil days have mainly ended.
there's other concerns too of rodeos and dog fighting ect.... but look for instance the rodeos being of a small community in the US... in spain it's huge for bull fighting.

i happened to of met one of the most famous matadors in history when i was a kid as well as the most famous/best of flamanco dancers, actors and muscians that most of were from spain. they attended my parents parties here in the US at their home.

the matador ... he was indeed a very nice and charming man.

of course naturaly.... anyone to kill for sport ect... there's a chance of them to abuse humans.

it's always disturbed me.... the bull fighting... and i am so glad my parents never took me with them to see it.

but like i said... it's their culture... and times are changing... slowly but surely..... i completely adore the spanish culture minus the bull fighting.

[nwc]

I believe that these types of people are monsters. I also think the world would be better off without people like this. Those awful girls who burned that poor kitten (I couldn't even click on to the original link provided by Laura)- I truly think they should be put in jail forever or burned to bits. See, I get violent also :evil: thinking about people hurting helpless, innocent animals!


generaly about 99.9% of people who do harm to animals like that were abused by their parents. so it's more of to the fault of parententing than anything else.

of course everyone has free will and a choice of actions.... but the influance of parents are a huge gigantic factor in children and adults behaivors and actions in life.

[Skywolf]

Fot the people against hunting, and I am one of you, believe me, killing an animal for sport is to me just bad. BUT, I will tell you this. Just to give you a view from the other side, though I in no way agree with it.
When I moved to Wisconsin for 6 years, I had to deal with it. Lived in the middle of prime hunting ground. I worked in the local grocery story, the only one for MILES around, and so talked with a lot of the hunters and got to know them. Most do not have a blood thirsty go out an kill mentality, I thinks it more primal, the "man is the hunter" type of thing (I did see a few lady hunters, but not nearly as many) they also, and they really do, have a respect for nature. They follow the rules of the hunt (though we digagree with it) I have found that to be so among fishermen and women as well. Yes there are those that just sit up in a deer blind getting blind drunk and not caring. And one guy I worked with, sick puppy, went out at 4am to sit in a blind so he could "bag" his buck. ( A huge not cool, and bad) The people, hunters , I told this to agreed he was sick for doing that, and so did the the people at work, some hunters as well. Most of the hunters I knew also did not just trpphy hunt, though that was a part, they used all the meat. Ok If was a point buck, its head would be on the wall, still dont get that, but I did get to know them, and understand it a little better.
Just a look form the other side, not to condone any persons abhorrent behavior, or abuse of animals.

Laura

{edited by skywolf for typos, sheesh, Im gonna have to make this my signature line one of these days!}

[nwc]

personaly.... i'm not able to think of one single person who's a hunter and didn't have some type of abuse issues going on directly to family or to support their spouce by allowing the abuse while hunting themselves.

i don't know... maybe i've only attracted these people into my life because i've always been against eating of animals my entire life?

my parents told me i would die if i didn't eat animals when i was very young.

then later in adult ages became vegan/raw foodist or was vegetarian for many years.

long story why i started eating animals again... i wrong diagnoised myself. but eating animals is the most addictive thing to human kind... i'm totaly guilty to be eating it when i firmly believe i need not to.

also.... just a food for thought.... look at the majority of people who can not kill for food but rely on others to for them..... there isn't that same type of energy going on that i've observed over my life vs hunters.

it's shown to be factual that humans didn't start eating meat until the ice age for nearly all of humanity...

i've commented on about being vegan raw eaters a few times on the forum.... i undoubtably believe this is the best for humans..... but also take into fact times have changed ans so have our bodies to adabt to the "new ways"..... but still can not adabt to it because look at all the illnesses ect that keep coming that alone stands away from pollution ect. it's just all a complete total mess.

and as the american indians did... they asked for life first before killing. used every part of the remains for something.

todays world for the majority just has absolutely no respect for life.

i dislike talking about this stuff because i set no example except for words, expression on the matter and past experieces ect... i'm a total hyprocrite in many ways.

but it takes about 6 generations to heal for a majority from eating cooked foods and animals... to which no one will be back to "normal" thanks to people polluting and all that.


but even to eat meat.... they've made it so most people can't afford to eat organic meat... just keep poisining us.... and for meaters with little choice but to support the industry that abuses animals for our food.

peta... as groosome as it is to see the videos they share... clearly shows SOME of the abuse of what we eat.... what that animal went through to feed our addictions.

hey... who knows... i'm a firm believer in reincarnation... maybe every abusive hunter comes back into a life just to be abused and eaten like that.... i'm sure many has in my beliefs.....

but when will it all stop?

but this is just one part of the view i see on all this.....

i can see on other factors that may not make any sence to most here... but for instance animal totems ect. this is more of an american indian thing.... but accordingly so... we have influances ect..... perhaps have a couger or bear totem for example going on and influances to eat meat in some respects.

but no doubt... we all aren't the same.

blood type O has a very challenging time to avoid animals.... howver can be done without.

we all can be vegan right now or at least transistion to be.

i've experienced it.... withdrawls of meat and also cooked foods..... it isn't fun man! but once you break it... you'll know the freedom differeances and the health factors coming to anew for the better...... at least my experiences alone.

[Skywolf]

Im not trying to condone hunting by that post, far from it. And I did talk to a lot of hunters that just wanted their "trophy" for that season, by following the rules or not. But I found most ordinary people like you and me, and they did use the animal, for food through the winter, some of these folks lives way far out of the beaten path, and going to the local grocery store in sub zero tems, when the local store is 50 miles away, one way, can be a bit dicey. they also canned fruits, veggies, all the stuff needed we take for granted we to just go get at the store right close to us.
I dont agree with sensles killing of animals, hunting them strictly for sport, it sickens me. I agree with you about the Native American spiruality. To remember this was a live thing at a time, and give respect. I eat meat, and, I have everal leather jackets. I do not dismiss the fact these were living beings at one time.
I dont agree that humans were meant to live on an all plant diet, though I applaud all you veggies and vegans, it a hard diet to keep up, I tried, and failed. If you look at our teeth, we have fangs, and flat teeth for chewing plants, we are by biological nature omnivoures.
Dont get me wrong, I love the little critters, I could never kill one, I am still so upset by the kitten story I posted I want to cry, by that is abuse, cruelty. Im the person that chases down a sray dog it I see one to catch it, try to find its family or a home if need be, takes in strays, I dont want you all to get the wrong idea about me here.

[Melissa W]

I respect cultural differences and ways of life. As long as they respect the sacredness (is that a word?) of life. All life has value and deserves respect. Unless they show that they have no repect for other life.

Humans are the only living beings that kill for pleasure (as far as I know).
You can blame it on their parents, past abuse, whatever. But, as you said, at some point the individual must make a choice and take responsibility for their actions. That is a part of life. And while I am not a radical nor extremist I do not believe it is ever right to kill animals under certain circumstances. I believe it is wrong to wear fur for example. And I think people who wear fur are either cruel or ignorant. But I do not judge people who eat meat. I won't eat meat but I do not think people who do are cruel or ignorant. It is not as black and white as some make it out to be. But I believe it is always wrong to torture animals, no matter what.

I understand that bullfighting is a part of the culture in Spain but that does not excuse it. It was also a part of certain cultures in the recent past (and present) to take human life that was deemed inferior. That does not make it right. I am very glad that the tradition is changing there. That is the right thing. Just because things go on for a long time ie tradition does not mean it's OK. Slavery was part of our culture for hundreds of years. Sometimes it takes civilizations longer than others to come to their senses.

Best wishes,
Melissa

[Skywolf]

Bull fighting to me is just discusting. A spectaor sport to watch an animal die is sick. Cultural , yea, so were the gladiators and the blood sports of ancient times, we dont still do this.
And actualy, Melissa, there are tribes of monkeys that war with eachother, and seem to rejoce in the victory. And to be more basic, ever see a cat toy with what ever animal it has captured? Im coming across harsh here, and I dont' mean to , I respesct you all so much, and I respect animals, sometimes more that people. I also did not mean to derail this thread, It was started to donate to a worthy fund, I'm so sorry I took it a bit off track. You can all feel free to hit me with my mod hat! (It's made of 100 percent natural hemp, but shhhh, dont tell the other mods, theirs are just made of cotten, lol)
Its an interesting debate topic though, and if someone would like to start a new thread about it here, go for it!

Laura

[nwc]

I dont agree that humans were meant to live on an all plant diet, though I applaud all you veggies and vegans, it a hard diet to keep up, I tried, and failed. If you look at our teeth, we have fangs, and flat teeth for chewing plants, we are by biological nature omnivoures.

our teeth has changed! we didn't have fangs before! only until many generations after humans in a whole started eating meat.

our bodies are brilliant! they try to change and adapbt to anything and everything.... but still doesn't mean it's the healiest for our bodies.

same goes if people kept trying to make cats and dogs vegan.... their teeth would change and health would go down hill.

most animals are natural carnivors.... humans are not.


in addition.... if you send a group of full blown africans to lets say america..... and they they ONLY breed with full blown africans and all to whom still reside in america or even canada, ireland, england ect..... within 10,000 years their skin will be white! hair just like white people!

our bodies adapbt to the best of its capability within it's surroundings ect.

[IowaDavid]

You are odd--I've got to give you that.

[nwc]

You are odd--I've got to give you that.

if you're speaking to me... then why thank you! :)

[IowaDavid]

Yes, I was responding to you.

You sound like a fruitcake. :lol:

But I don't know you, so I can't really comment. :wink:

[nwc]

well... you're already commenting!

bring it on!

fruitcake.... hmmmm... what does that mean accordingly to you?

don't be shy man!!!!!!!

i'm strait up serious.... don't be a putz!!!!

tell me!

[IowaDavid]

I'm just saying that you come off as a loopy individual. No need to call me mean names.

Do you have reptilian illuminati credentials?

[nwc]

I'm just saying that you come off as a loopy individual. No need to call me mean names.

Do you have reptilian illuminati credentials?

ahhh who was calling names to start with?

yeah... i find you a putz if you can't start a comment without explaining your reasoning until called upon. it shows a lot of 1 point of the finger to 3 pointing back at you.

reptilian..... whatever... you lost me..... but if you mention it... again... point the finger to someone... you have 3 pointing back at you.

[nwc]

again......... you DO NOT explaine yourself!!!!!!!!!

what's the problem?

if you feel so strong to make an opinion........ why must i keep asing you to explaine yourself?

[Skywolf]

Wow this thread got out of control.
Please keep it civil folks! It has gone way, way off topic, I take much responsibility for that, but name calling and characher insults will NOT be allowed on this, or any oher thread. Its a little more free wheeling here in the off topic section, but not a free for all. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss our boilogy, how we evolve, if we are herbavores, omnivores, canrivores, and the like, its an interesting topic. But please, do no derail this thread any further It was created to bring people to donate to an animal rights organization and lets get it back on subject. Again I share in the blame of the direction it headed in. Please, lets get back to topic.

Laura