Flushing Worse Over Last 4 days.

[ben99]

So I've had the acne lamp for a good two weeks now......I've built up to 15 mins a day.

After an initial (seemingly) slight improvment.......I appear to be flushing more, at times of day, siiting in my apartment, which was not happening 2 weeks ago.

In particular, my forehead has suddenly started flushing during the daytime, while I remain inactive in a chair.

So what to do?

Reduce time to 10 mins?

Stop altogether?

Have other users noticed an initial decline in thier flushing, afer using the lamp for the first time?

Thanks

[Peter]

Hello Ben

I never had this problem but I did hear of some who felt they flushed a little more initially but worked through it and this went away.

Well I can only suggest the following:

A) As above keep going for a couple of more weeks but perhaps lessen the time to 10 minutes as you say, hold the lamp further away or try using it every other day for a while.

B) Stop for a couple of weeks or so and see if you are the same as you were before using the lamp and then try it again.

Might seem a stupid question but are you are 100% certain it is the lamp causing the flushing? I suppose if you try B) then you will know for sure.

Will be interesting to see if anybody else has had a similar experience but perhaps your skin needs a little more time to condition itself to the light?

Good luck and keep us posted.

Thanks

Peter

[Twickle Purple]

There is the initial acclimation phase that some folks get. I know I flushed when I started, but it went away after the first few sessions. As RLT acts as an anti-inflammatory I would look to other causes if it persists.

[Bob Bear]

I never had this problem but I did hear of some who felt they flushed a little more initially but worked through it and this went away.



At first I think the lamp didnt act as a very mild trigger. But I just figured that was the warmth of the bulbs. So I moved the lamp back slightly, and the problem went away. Now I seem to be able to use the lamp at any distance and not have any problem.

BB

[moomy]

I found that, when I started RLT, my condition was much better so I let the diet slip. I thought I was ok and started drinking hot tea and eating tomatoes again.

i did flush a little because of this so now am careful again.

Not saying this is the case for you.

moomy

[ben99]

Cheers guys

Well I've used it for two weeks.........so now I will stop using it for two weeks and see if there is any difference.

[Bob Bear]

I found that, when I started RLT, my condition was much better so I let the diet slip. I thought I was ok and started drinking hot tea and eating tomatoes again.

i did flush a little because of this so now am careful again.

Not saying this is the case for you.

moomy

Thats a very good point.

Its no good doing RLT and ignoring all your triggers, then complaining that your rosacea isnt getting better (not that anyone is). I think RLT is part of a rosacea regime, not a cure all.

For instance, if you flush to alcohol, then it would be wise to avoid it even after RLT.

BB

[sweden]

What I think seems weird about RLT is that it seems it doesn't give any lasting improvement? (based on what those using it are saying) For instance, Peter, I think you have said that you can be without the treatment for a few days, now that you have used it for many years. The thing is, I think that a few days is very lil considering how long some have been undergoing this treatment. Seeing the rosacea symptoms relapse that fast, just because one doesn't use it for a couple of days seems so strange to me. Does anyone think that RLT makes any permanent change in the skin or is it usefull only when it is being used (like the case is with many meds and treatments)?

[Twickle Purple]

RLT does not cure Rosacea.

RLT improves the symptoms.

Whatever causes Rosacea still remains.

This is the same with EVERY Rosacea treatment.

I believe that this has been repeated quite often.

[Bob Bear]

I havent used my RLT device since Saturday, and I havent noticed a deterioration of my symptoms. Though Im sure that over a period of months, the improvements that Iv noticed from RLT might subside.

BB

[Twickle Purple]

I havent used my RLT device since Saturday, and I havent noticed a deterioration of my symptoms. Though Im sure that over a period of months, the improvements that Iv noticed from RLT might subside.

BB

This is it exactly. The benefits subside -- RLT heals and keeps the symptoms at bay. I think the longer you use it, the longer the time it will take for the symptoms to return to their former glory days. RLT will be part of my life, always. Just like Rosacea is. :?

[sweden]

No need to get upset twickled, I was only asking a question. I think it could be claimed that some treatments however, like IPL, somewhat treat the underlying heart of the "disease", even if it isn´t a cure. Permanent change and treatment of symptoms isn't the same thing.

[sweden]

I havent used my RLT device since Saturday, and I havent noticed a deterioration of my symptoms. Though Im sure that over a period of months, the improvements that Iv noticed from RLT might subside.

Ok cool BB. Before when people have spoken about not using their RLT device for a day or two they have said other things about this matter, that is why I was wondering.

[Twickle Purple]

No need to get upset twickled, I was only asking a question. I think it could be claimed that some treatments however, like IPL, somewhat treat the underlying heart of the "disease", even if it isn´t a cure. Permanent change and treatment of symptoms isn't the same thing.

Sweden,

:?: Please don't comment on my frame of mind -- typed words that are read with inflected emotion tend to reflect more on the reader than the writer. IMO.

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Also, IPL is not a cure. It treats the symptoms as well. It just takes longer for some of the symptoms to return. This is due to the nature of the treatment. As well, as in all things used to treat Rosacea, the good fortune of remission is also possible -- once the symptoms are managed, they may not return.

Twickle Purple

[sweden]

Those words you just wrote were even more emotional than your last post..but ok. Why do you take it personal when I question a treatment, that you yourself happen to use? If you wanna start discussing psychological mumbo jumbo, then here is a question for you. Why is it that you seemed to get offended, and take it personaly? I mean you didn't invent RLT and you're not selling RLT devices (or are you?), so what is the problem if I question the permanent effects of RLT? You have reacted in the exact same way before so this isn't an isolated phenomenon. Obviously there is some problem?

P.S. I said that IPL isn't a cure so I dont get why it is necessary for you to repeat that?somewhat treat the underlying heart of the "disease", even if it isn´t a cure

[Peter]

What I think seems weird about RLT is that it seems it doesn't give any lasting improvement? (based on what those using it are saying) For instance, Peter, I think you have said that you can be without the treatment for a few days, now that you have used it for many years. The thing is, I think that a few days is very lil considering how long some have been undergoing this treatment. Seeing the rosacea symptoms relapse that fast, just because one doesn't use it for a couple of days seems so strange to me. Does anyone think that RLT makes any permanent change in the skin or is it usefull only when it is being used (like the case is with many meds and treatments)?

Hello Sweden

Come on you are a medical man and therefore you must appreciate there is much we do not know about rosacea and how some treatments really work. Rosacea can also go into spontaneous remission for no apparent reason. I did say that I have gone over a week without any problems and perhaps I could go longer. Maybe I could stop all together now and find my rosacea has gone into remission never to re-appear?

To answer your question - No I do not think RLT is weird and it is no different to any other treatment that is capable of halting the progression of the condition and then returning your skin to behave how it used to be. There is a school of thought that suggest rosacea does actually burn itself out in the end, never to return and certainly I have heard of cases but usually they are not members of rosacea forums.

Food for thought.

Bye

Peter

[fut]

I think it could be claimed that some treatments however, like IPL, somewhat treat the underlying heart of the "disease", even if it isn´t a cure. Permanent change and treatment of symptoms isn't the same thing.

It could be claimed but whoever "claimed" that doesn't really know what they are talking about, (is it you? or someone else?).

IPL treats the symptoms of Rosacea, and that Rosacea slowly comes back. This is why there is a need for return treatments every 3-6 months.

[Peter]

Cheers guys

Well I've used it for two weeks.........so now I will stop using it for two weeks and see if there is any difference.

Hello Ben

I'll try and get this one back on track.

Rather than just stop all together why not try the other suggestion - further away from the unit and perhaps every other day for a couple of weeks. Worth a try as you might find this enables to you to get through the initial phase so that you can then return to daily use? We are all different to a reactions to any treatment so you might have to experiment a bit.

Dunno - your call.

Cheers

Peter

[Skywolf]

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Can we have one thread about RLT that does not turn into poeple sniping at one another! PLEASE!!!! New people are going to be afraid to ask questions I fear because of this. This topic really seems to get peoples hackles up, but please, please please, keep it peacefull. Just because a persons views differ from your own is no reason to go on the attack, thats why we are all here after all, to question, find information, get the scoop from the people using different treatments. This fighting has to stop.

Laura

[sweden]

Hey Peter, I didn't mean RLT in itself is weird, I mean that is seems weird that the symptoms come back so fast, and my question was whether the effects of RLT could then be permanent? Instead of adressing that question, some people as usual rather want to comment on the fact that I was questioning it. And that happens quite often.

[Twickle Purple]

Those words you just wrote were even more emotional than your last post..but ok. Why do you take it personal when I question a treatment, that you yourself happen to use? If you wanna start discussing psychological mumbo jumbo, then here is a question for you. Why is it that you seemed to get offended, and take it personaly? I mean you didn't invent RLT and you're not selling RLT devices (or are you?), so what is the problem if I question the permanent effects of RLT? You have reacted in the exact same way before so this isn't an isolated phenomenon. Obviously there is some problem?

P.S. I said that IPL isn't a cure so I dont get why it is necessary for you to repeat that?somewhat treat the underlying heart of the "disease", even if it isn´t a cure

OK, you seem to have a bug in your bonnet today. I suppose I could just ignore you, but I answer for the benefit of the whole. You have no reason to attack me for it.

All I can do is repeat: Don't read things with emotion. There are none behind it, I am just answering, just posting. You are creating something in your mind. Or is this now even more emotional, because I am addressing it?? :wink:

[sweden]

Fut you are wrong, cause rosacea doesnt always come back after IPL. It totally depends what kind of rosacea you have to begin with. Where do you get your info from?

[Twickle Purple]

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Can we have one thread about RLT that does not turn into poeple sniping at one another! PLEASE!!!! New people are going to be afraid to ask questions I fear because of this. This topic really seems to get peoples hackles up, but please, please please, keep it peacefull. Just because a persons views differ from your own is no reason to go on the attack, thats why we are all here after all, to question, find information, get the scoop from the people using different treatments. This fighting has to stop.

Laura

I think the problem is when folks get personal towards others. It would be really great if the only personal thing was -- "how is it working for you?"

Some folks just like to take swipes at others. Maybe they are too sensitive and read things with an emotional tone. It is easily done. A response that is contrary to another is not an attack it is an opinion. A response that calls another's state of mind or motivation into question is an attack.

Peace y'all. RLT is good, we are here to help each other.

[sweden]

Yes, I must have a bug in my bonnet, that is probably the reason. End of discussion. sigh

[Twickle Purple]

Yes, I must have a bug in my bonnet, that is probably the reason. End of discussion. sigh

I hope it doesn't end you asking about RLT.

Just stop making personal comments about me -- please.

[sweden]

Why was it so damn difficult for you to say if you believe the effects of RLT are permanent or not?? Instead you had to say that there are no cures and bla bla bla. WHat did that have to do with anything???

[sweden]

No I wont make any personal comments, I just can't comprehend why some questions always seem to be almost controversial or something.

[Twickle Purple]

I think the folks have expressed their thoughts on this already.

If you have a problem with how people are communicating that is not their fault.

[Twickle Purple]

No I wont make any personal comments, I just can't comprehend why some questions always seem to be almost controversial or something.

In all of my experience with RLT threads -- apart from the debate on the "how of it", which is an utter waste of energy at this point as we just don't know -- the one and only thing that has ever stood out is that things go down hill when personal comments are made.

If you could please take a look at this thread:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=5301&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

You will see that no one has a problem with the questions.
It would be great if you could add to the thread.

Twickle Purple

[Peter]

No I wont make any personal comments, I just can't comprehend why some questions always seem to be almost controversial or something.

Maybe you do not pick your words very well at times?

Anyway we were trying to give Ben some help here so why don't we stick to the theme of his thread.

Thanks

Peter

[sweden]

I blame the language barrier. But seriously, I might not choose my words very well, but I am still of the opinion that there is often a "dont-talk-trash-about-my-treatment" kind of attitude around here, even though that was not what I was doing.

[Skywolf]

Ok, here is the deal,
I am sick of the fights these threads take on, members ganging up against others, new members confused no doubt to why the hostility. I have seen post by members that other "dont like" that seem completly innocent turned into flames, and it has to stop. We are all human, we all have our views and opinions and I dont' like to see it all get caught up in this BS. Do you want us to lock this up because people cant be civil, start editing, no, of course not, and I don't want that either! With that said, I am not posting to this thread anymore.

Laura

[Froggirl]

Well said Laura.

It’s very unfair to Ben, who will have to wade through pages of hostility and off topic remarks looking for answer to his questions. And aside from a few brave souls, the drama's in this thread are bound to have put off many of the people that would otherwise shared their advice with Ben.

So as Mods we can either edit it heavily, lock it or like Laura has already stated we can ask everyone to please respect the topic by only posting relevant info and to take any fighting outside!

So we're going with the last option, but if there are any more posts that are off topic or that have a go at anyone than i am going to either delete them or split them all off into a new topic: RLT debate - enter at your own risk! :shock:

Any posts that respond to Ben's actual question are very welcome though.

Kate

[Peter]

Hello Laura and Kate.

Well said and as you can see from some of the posts the intention was to help Ben.

What always gets to me is that the negative vibes about RLT always seems to come from those who have never tried it. Anyway I have given Ben my opinion and I hope he gets on ok.

I'm out of here now.

Thanks

Peter

[ben99]

Don't worry about the bickering - it's only the internet!!! Same all forums.

One thing I did not mention in my original post, but I feel is now worth mentioning.

Some of you may be aware, on the 25th Jan, I had the veinwave treatment on my nose, which was an amazing success, with superb results after about 10 days later.

Well I think it was about the 8th Feb, I started using the acnelamp...........yep you've guessed it........all the thread veins have come back.........i'm thinking the skin was so fragile, the red light has agrivated the area concerned. I cannot think of any other reason for the thread veins to reappear, as honestly, they had gone.

So obviously, I'm now terrified to use it again...don't know what to do now.

Any one in the u.k, who wants a brand new, red triple headed table lamp, from acnelamp costing £330, including shipping.......please PM me.

http://acnelamp.com/product.php?id=1032

£180 + £20 postage and it's yours!

I dare not use it now :(

[sweden]

Peter, you consider the fact that I´m asking about RLT's permanent effects as a negative vibe??? This is really getting absurd! I hope you're not being serious when you say that, cause it is really quite ridiculous.
I think it's you and twickle who have to change your attitude, not me. Im sorry, but when Twickle responds to Ben by saying that As RLT acts as an anti-inflammatory I would look to other causes if it persists. it is evident you guys aren't being very objective. I mean you must understand, that no matter what treatment you look at, there will ALWAYS be some individuals who will react badly, no matter how safe the treatment is in general. This is the case for ALL meds and treatments. And if you can't acknowledge that, there is definetly a problem here, and if you think that you are being helpful to others by instantly intepreting and entirely disregarding simple questions cause you believe they have "a negative vibe", I think you should perhaps go back and read my posts a little more carefully. But alright, now I know it is not okey on this forum to ask questions, cause people might interpret them as having a negative vibe, and that if a person hasn't tried a treatment yet, they are not allowed to ask questions about it.
Notice in my previous posts that I never mentioned anything about that there were any negative effects from RLT...I merely asked wheter there was permanent change or not. I guess you and Twickle couldn't handle such a preposterous question. I truly feel sorry for you guys, and I recognize the subjective narrow-minded attitude you seem to have, similar to a guy whos initials are G.N. Don't bother answering with one of those "you dont agree with me so I guess you have a bug in your bonnet" kind of answers, cause I'm through with ever sharing anything on this forum. Good luck all you normal people out there, for example Jen who uses RLT but doesn't have that narrow-minded stuck up attitude.

[sweden]

Ben you better watch what you say, those kind of preposterous ideas will aggrivate some individuals. That your skin was so sensitive that it might have reacted badly to RLT, oh my god, what kind of outrages thought is that!!!? Soon you will probalby start to claim that the earth is round and not flat like we all know it is.
You probably ate more tomatoes than usual these past weeks, and that is why your veins came back. Yes, that must be it.
Adios

[ben99]

Ben you better watch what you say, those kind of preposterous ideas will aggrivate some individuals. That your skin was so sensitive that it might have reacted badly to RLT, oh my god, what kind of outrages thought is that!!!? Soon you will probalby start to claim that the earth is round and not flat like we all know it is.
You probably ate more tomatoes than usual these past weeks, and that is why your veins came back. Yes, that must be it.
Adios

LOL

Very funny :D

[Peter]

Don't worry about the bickering - it's only the internet!!! Same all forums.

One thing I did not mention in my original post, but I feel is now worth mentioning.

Some of you may be aware, on the 25th Jan, I had the veinwave treatment on my nose, which was an amazing success, with superb results after about 10 days later.

Well I think it was about the 8th Feb, I started using the acnelamp...........yep you've guessed it........all the thread veins have come back.........i'm thinking the skin was so fragile, the red light has agrivated the area concerned. I cannot think of any other reason for the thread veins to reappear, as honestly, they had gone.

So obviously, I'm now terrified to use it again...don't know what to do now.

Any one in the u.k, who wants a brand new, red triple headed table lamp, from acnelamp costing £330, including shipping.......please PM me.

http://acnelamp.com/product.php?id=1032

£180 + £20 postage and it's yours!

I dare not use it now :(

Hello Ben

I'm not even going to bother responding to those other posts and as you say it's the internet. He seems to have forgotten about the PM's he sent me in the past and the advice I tried to give. Being in the UK you know our saying "There's nowt as queer as folk"

I suppose in hindsight trying the lamp out so close to the veinwave treatment was probably not a good idea, especially as you were so happy with the results. The indications you gave recently were just increased flushing which hadn't happened previously. All I can suggest is that you discuss this with the specialist who carried out the veinwave and get his opinion on what has happened before you sell your lamp.

Let us know the outcome.

Thanks

Peter

[Twickle Purple]

Peter, you consider the fact that I´m asking about RLT's permanent effects as a negative vibe??? This is really getting absurd! I hope you're not being serious when you say that, cause it is really quite ridiculous.
I think it's you and twickle who have to change your attitude, not me. Im sorry, but when Twickle responds to Ben by saying that As RLT acts as an anti-inflammatory I would look to other causes if it persists. it is evident you guys aren't being very objective. I mean you must understand, that no matter what treatment you look at, there will ALWAYS be some individuals who will react badly, no matter how safe the treatment is in general. This is the case for ALL meds and treatments. And if you can't acknowledge that, there is definetly a problem here, and if you think that you are being helpful to others by instantly intepreting and entirely disregarding simple questions cause you believe they have "a negative vibe", I think you should perhaps go back and read my posts a little more carefully. But alright, now I know it is not okey on this forum to ask questions, cause people might interpret them as having a negative vibe, and that if a person hasn't tried a treatment yet, they are not allowed to ask questions about it.
Notice in my previous posts that I never mentioned anything about that there were any negative effects from RLT...I merely asked wheter there was permanent change or not. I guess you and Twickle couldn't handle such a preposterous question. I truly feel sorry for you guys, and I recognize the subjective narrow-minded attitude you seem to have, similar to a guy whos initials are G.N. Don't bother answering with one of those "you dont agree with me so I guess you have a bug in your bonnet" kind of answers, cause I'm through with ever sharing anything on this forum. Good luck all you normal people out there, for example Jen who uses RLT but doesn't have that narrow-minded stuck up attitude.

OK, first of all the bit we know about RLT is that it acts as an inflammatory.

Next, we've got someone giving it a try and flushing more. It has been established and commented on many times that this occurs at the onset of treatment. A most recent poster who found this happening discovered it was another aspect of his treatment that he was reacting too. So the advice to look at other things is sound, whether you agree or not.

I find it very offensive that you must make personal comments about people. This is where RLT threads go down hill. It seems that you must constantly make swipes at people. I have never acted with hostility towards you.

There is a thread that I have already posted a link to, which is all about asking questions. The goal is that everyone that uses RLT will answer. This is as open minded as it gets, I do not see how I can be accused of being narror minded.

My posts are in the spirit of being helpful. That you even ask if I sell RLT units is just trying to make trouble. If you have a personality conflict with me feel free to PM me and we can deal with it that way.

RLT has been helpful to many people, there are always people that cannot use every treatment. I find that Peter, most especially, has taken care to point this out. It would be tedious however to put a caveat in every post.

I invite everyone to add to the RLT question thread. This is a terrific opportunity for dialogue -- across the board and the forums.

Cheers,
Twickle Purple

[Twickle Purple]

Ben you better watch what you say, those kind of preposterous ideas will aggrivate some individuals. That your skin was so sensitive that it might have reacted badly to RLT, oh my god, what kind of outrages thought is that!!!? Soon you will probalby start to claim that the earth is round and not flat like we all know it is.

Please see the RLT question thread. You may find it helpful.

[Twickle Purple]

OK, first of all the bit we know about RLT is that it acts as an inflammatory.


Sorry, that's a typo.

It was meant to read: What little we know about RLT is that it acts as an anti-inflammatory.

Hope this doesn't cause any confusion.

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Ben, stopping is a good idea. Please let us know if the flushing persists or not.