A New Recruit

[Bob Bear]

Hey all,

I just had my first RLT session using the 'Acne Lamp'. It was set to me by a very good friend who thought it might help increase my tolerance to triggers. With a bit of luck, I'll see some results by the new year... which would be a fantastic post Christmas present!

Anyway, like I said, just finished my first 15 minute session. I am still alive and well. Skin is calm and looks fine. Im not feeling any heat or anything.

Will keep you posted on how I get on. Unless ofcourse I spontaneously combust later tonight or something similar :shock:

BB

[fut]

Good luck, I hope you have as good results as I have had!

[Twickle Purple]

:D Yay! Three cheers for the Bear!

With regular usage and patience the rewards will come, slowly but surely.

I wish you the very best success with this!!

Tickled Purple

[DukeCity]

BB you're on for almost a full week now, have you used it daily??

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[Bob Bear]

Thanks all!

Dukecity,

Yep, Iv been doing this for about a week now. Ummm, I forget the day I started, lol.

All good so far. Iv had a good week rosacea wise, especially considering the cold outside. But it is too early to report any results yet. My skin has its natural ups and downs anyway. I will have to see something indisputable before I report back with positive or negative results, as my skin has a way of getting better and worse periodically.

But no side effects as yet. The treatments are quite comfortable. I just lie back and chill out for 15 mins, then its done!

BB

[IowaDavid]

That's the way, man. It'll probably take 4-8 weeks before you start seeing defined, "reproducible" results. Keep us posted, G. 8)

[Bob Bear]

Still going fine!

My rosacea is doing very well these past few weeks. I still dont think I can attribute this to the RLT beyond doubt, but I can say that I have seen nothing but good since I started it a 2 - 3 weeks ago :)

BB

[DukeCity]

Hey BB - Which "Acnelamp" are you using? one head all red - 2 head mixed ect.?? - If it's the one head, does it cover your entire face at one sitting?

[Bob Bear]

Hey Dukecity,

The one I have has two heads, both red (cough, cough :lol: ).

You know what though, the lamp is as safe as you like, but the goggles are lethal! I have to use a cloth inbetween the goggles and my eyes to prevent my eyes from being discected!

BB

[IowaDavid]

Hey Dukecity,

The one I have has two heads, both red (cough, cough :lol: ).

You know what though, the lamp is as safe as you like, but the goggles are lethal! I have to use a cloth inbetween the goggles and my eyes to prevent my eyes from being discected!

BB

If you just have a double-headed, normal power Acnelamp (not a Turbo), simple opaque tanning goggles, or those goggles they package with the semi-opaque bits should be fine. Really, the most annoying part is the nose piece. :x

[MARPUSBEAN]

BB, I am about to get delivery of my Acnelamp on friday (2 red lamps)
Does the 2 lamps give you full facial coverage

[Peter]

Hey Dukecity,

The one I have has two heads, both red (cough, cough :lol: ).

You know what though, the lamp is as safe as you like, but the goggles are lethal! I have to use a cloth inbetween the goggles and my eyes to prevent my eyes from being discected!

BB

Bob

Not sure what type of lamp or goggles you are using? Sounds pretty obvious but when I first started using mine by sitting in front of it, I found the plastic goggles too tight so I slackened the elastic as much as I could without them feeling too loose.

Sitting in front of the lamp and trying to keep still made my neck ache so I then made myself a table with a hole cut out for the lamp to rest on top (did provide a picture of this recently). This meant I could lay underneath in total relaxation mode Zzzzzzz and therefore was able to remove the elastic connecting the eye pieces and as I was lying down I could just rest the eye pieces independently over my eyes. Clever stuff eh?

Anyway wish you success with RLT and of course elastic cut marks from the goggles doesn’t qualify as a genuine side effect :lol:

Cheers

Peter

[Capri]

Another new recruit here! Just started with 2x all red 84 LED units from Elixa. Quick delivery and total cost including shipping to the UK was £120. I just lie down but elevate the units on some VHS videos and is very relaxing, but am starting with short sessions to begin with. Will update any results but can happily report good service from Elixa at a very reasonable price.

[Capri]

If you just have a double-headed, normal power Acnelamp (not a Turbo), simple opaque tanning goggles, or those goggles they package with the semi-opaque bits should be fine. Really, the most annoying part is the nose piece. :x

Are goggles recommended for even "just red" units? I thought it was just near-infrared?

[Twickle Purple]

I don't use them.

[Bob Bear]

Capri,

Good to have you on board mate! I have my fingers crossed for you.


Peter,

Right now, Im just lying down on my bed with the unit sat on my chest, with the two lamps aimed at each side of my face (about 5-6 inches away). I prefer to use the goggles, cuz it makes my vision go 'green' when I dont, lol. But I dont think they are necessary for the red light lamps, right?

Eitherway, Im knocking on for 3 weeks in, and Im still in one piece. Lets hope that the lovely red light is healing my messed up blood vessels!

BB

[phlika29]

BB

You make sure that you look after that cute eye of yours 8)

[Skywolf]

:lol: Do look after that eye, wouldn't want the other one to finaly come back from holiday and not have its mate!

[Peter]

Peter,

Right now, Im just lying down on my bed with the unit sat on my chest, with the two lamps aimed at each side of my face (about 5-6 inches away). I prefer to use the goggles, cuz it makes my vision go 'green' when I dont, lol. But I dont think they are necessary for the red light lamps, right?

Eitherway, Im knocking on for 3 weeks in, and Im still in one piece. Lets hope that the lovely red light is healing my messed up blood vessels!

BB

Bob

If your layout suits you and is comfortable then carry on as you are. I always advise people to use goggles regardless of what light form they are using. The light from the lamps is very bright even with your eyes shut and I prefer not to take risks with my sight.

Make a note of how your skin looks and feels to touch at the moment and just review it weekly for any subtle changes. If you are not sure get someone else to look at you and give an opinion on any improvement.

Good luck

Peter

[GJ]

Are goggles recommended for even "just red" units? I thought it was just near-infrared?

As per your thinking, most sites suggest using them for infrared but none -to my knowledge - suggest that they are needed with just red units.

I can't be bothered to use them for infrared. Just close my eyes and reflect upon how life is for a blind person.

[Twickle Purple]

From this site (http://www.lighttherapyproducts.com/LEDFAQ.html) which sells the DPL unit.

The DPL unit has 154 - 880nm [near] Infrared LEDs and 20 - 660nm Red LEDs. These folks sell the unit so, I think, they would want the end user to take extra precautions to avoid lawsuits.


Can this hurt my eyes?

No studies have been found showing any harmful effects to the eyes when using our product correctly. However, we recommend not staring directly into our LEDs and we have provided a supply of eye shields for your comfort.

The 'eyeshields' are nothing more than a strip of black oval stickers that you put on your eyelids. They're not big enough for my eyes and they pull at the skin when they come off. I tried one and didn't bother after that.
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There are different opinions on this so you'll need to use your own judgement.

[Peter]

Hello

No brainer as far as I am concerned because you only get one set of eyes in a lifetime and in my opinion they are far too precious to risk damaging. Regardless of which lamp and light source you use I can’t see it’s a big hardship wearing goggles even if it’s just for peace of mind.

As advised I have used goggles for over 8 years now when using the fluorescent tubed lamp and my yearly eye checks show no adverse effects. I tried one session without goggles using the LED lamp I am experimenting with and found the light much too bright, even with my eyes shut, so now I always wear goggles.

As TP has said it’s up to the individual to make up their own mind but for me I would rather play safe.

Thanks

Peter

[Twickle Purple]

I guess I'll be a blind girl with no brains then. :?

[Chelsey]

I've been trying to decide which LED unit to purchase, so I've called Acnelamp and the manufacturers of DPL. I've asked them a lot of questions (both were great about answering) and threw in one about whether goggles are necessary.

Acnelamp said that because the infrared light penetrates deeper and possibly could penetrate the retina, they believe you should use goggles. (The Three Headed Combo Acnelamp has 105 660 nm Red Light and 105 880 nm Near-infared light).

The person I spoke to at Led Technologies (manufacturer of DPL) has also been a user herself for two and a half years and has chosen not to wear the goggles. She says her eye checkups have not shown any deterioration in vision. Twickle Purple has given the breakdown of lights for DPL.

There are no guarantees about problems that may emerge in the long run, so, as everyone has stated, it's a personal decision based on your own comfort level. I would love to work on my eyelids which have a lot of visible veins and loss of eyelashes to see if I can improve those two things a well as other occular symptoms, so I will try it without goggles (eyes closed). If I'm uncomfortable with this, I can always try the goggles.

[Twickle Purple]

That is very helpful, Chelsey. Thank you for posting those comments from the manufacturers.

I would love to work on my eyelids which have a lot of visible veins and loss of eyelashes to see if I can improve those two things a well as other occular symptoms.

That was my motivation as well. My eyelids need treatment too.

[Peter]

I guess I'll be a blind girl with no brains then. :?

Hey TP I never said or implied that - did I?. When it comes to the IQ stuff your the tops ;)

I think we are all agreeing that everybody has to make their own mind up and use their own disgression on the "eye protection" subject.

Certainly with my original lamp (red/blue) I was told by the manufacturers to use the goggles provided and I carried on with this after it was converted all red. The light is so bright anyway that even with my eyes shut I could still feel the light penetrating so it seems sensible in my case to use goggles. As I said I have only recently been experimenting with an LED lamp but again even with my eyes closed I still find the light extremely bright so I will stick with my goggles. In either case I would always advise people to play safe and use eye protection but that is my opinion. If you are wanting to treat your eyelids than it's a different matter and all I would suggest is that you have your eyes regularly checked by an expert as a precaution.

Thanks

Peter

[MARPUSBEAN]

I would just like to comment that my red acnelamp arrived, and I have used it for 2 days, so clearly too early to evaluate, but I find it very pleasant to use, and feel it is going to help, I cannot use goggles which have too sharp edges, and I am using ""eyse shut" method!
I would like to thank Peter and David for all of the info posted over the last few months which lead me to chose this method of treatment.

[Twickle Purple]

:lol:

Peter, you're no doubt a very good husband. You say all the right things to us ladies!

Cheers,
TP

[Chelsey]

Marpusbean,

I'm considering the Acnelamp as well. In a previous post you said you were going to purchase the two headed lamp. Do you find it covers your whole face (any way if manoeuvring it to hit the chin as well?).

Best of luck to you!

[Chelsey]

Sorry, that should read "under the chin (and down the throat)"

Thanks!

[Peter]

I would just like to comment that my red acnelamp arrived, and I have used it for 2 days, so clearly too early to evaluate, but I find it very pleasant to use, and feel it is going to help, I cannot use goggles which have too sharp edges, and I am using ""eyse shut" method!
I would like to thank Peter and David for all of the info posted over the last few months which lead me to chose this method of treatment.
Hello Marpus

Well I wish you luck and I will be interested in your results after a couple of months. If you are able to lay under the lamp it might be possible just to rest the goggles over your eyes and thus prevent them feeling uncomfortable? Dunno but we have discussed the goggles situation at length on this and other threads.

Appreciate the thanks. Of course in addition to both David and myself there are also others, including TP, Jen and Banshee (Kristen) who despite the traumas of last year were still prepared to write about the benefits of RLT from their own personal experiences. I don't want to embarrass TP but she has been most prolific in her dissemination and posting of RLT information and has really pushed the boat out on this subject.

Keep us posted anyway with your progress.

Regards

Peter

[redhotoz]

I don't want to embarrass TP but she has been most prolific in her dissemination and posting of RLT information...

Absolutely! I thought I had done a good amount of research before trying low level red light therapy for myself but I soon learnt a great deal more from the info that TP posted last year. Thank you TP! I'm happy to say that it was all re-affirming! :D

We have a great deal more to learn about light therapy in general and it is wonderful to see main stream medicine may just tap into it in a bigger way in time. Of course, we are ahead of the game here and can do it cheaply at home. So sod the expensive future doc treatments charged per session! LOL Ah, actually, they already do that. Something like $30-$40 per session! OMG!!! Hang on, let me go and find the e-mail...here tis... "I currently spend $35 for a 20 minute session where someone waves a wand about the size of a small hairbrush for 5 minutes on various spots on the face. So far no significant results but then not much red light, or for very long." Bloody amazing, huh! This is in Australia!

Thank you also to Peter, David and Kristen! It's a shame that it had to be a battlefield mentality to even try to discuss the possibilities of red light therapy last year. Phew! Thank goodness this year brings new hope to a peaceful Forum! Yeay!

Jen

[Bob Bear]

Coming up to 1 month, and still going strong.

My face has been very well behaved, with flushing being down to a minimum (and no major flare ups). I wouldnt be happy to state that this was due to the RLT or not at this moment - Id prefer to wait until the 10 weeks are up before I conclude either way.

But I am quietly optimistic. Like I say, my skin has been VERY well behaved lately. And given that its winter, it should be at its worst.

BB

[Twickle Purple]

This is great news, BB! Perhaps at 10 weeks you can attempt something that will normally cause a flush and see what happens. I have my fingers crossed for you!

[Peter]

Hello Bob

Great stuff!

Nothing adverse noticed then?

Does your skin feel softer? Getting like a baby's bum LOL

Peter

[Artist]

BB: That is great news! I'm not surprised. Here's hoping the good effects last long-term.

Cheers!

Artist

[MARPUSBEAN]

Well folks its 12 days, and this old sceptic has to say that the RLT (RED ACNELAMP) is working.
It is very pleasant to do, I am having 15 mins per day, no ill-effects whatsoever skin feels better and looks fairly good.
I have always suspected it should work, my skin is always better when I sunbathe in a hot climate, but of course I use a powerful bocker to remove most UV, so I imagine it is the red light component which is doing good, and I believe I am now proving it.
Further updates later.

[fut]

Coming up to 1 month, and still going strong.

My face has been very well behaved, with flushing being down to a minimum (and no major flare ups). I wouldnt be happy to state that this was due to the RLT or not at this moment - Id prefer to wait until the 10 weeks are up before I conclude either way.

But I am quietly optimistic. Like I say, my skin has been VERY well behaved lately. And given that its winter, it should be at its worst.

BB

BB,

I am very happy for you. I have received the same benefits you have from RLT. My skin rarely flares now - RLT has put a stop to unecessary blushing and flushing. I love it!

[VickyGirl]

Well folks its 12 days, and this old sceptic has to say that the RLT (RED ACNELAMP) is working.
It is very pleasant to do, I am having 15 mins per day, no ill-effects whatsoever skin feels better and looks fairly good.
I have always suspected it should work, my skin is always better when I sunbathe in a hot climate, but of course I use a powerful bocker to remove most UV, so I imagine it is the red light component which is doing good, and I believe I am now proving it.
Further updates later.
Yay! Marpusbean, I hope that your benefits continue and even improve more, with time! :)

[Bob Bear]

Yep, thats pretty much the effect Iv noticed.

My skin seems a lot calmer. This time of the year it should be giving me grief, but it just seems to be calm. My flushes are coming less frequently, and with less intensity aswell.

While has can happen on its own, it should be right now. The colder weather always makes my skin worse. Yet it is doing very well.

Certainly not a drastic change! Its not like night and day, but I am optimistic that using this lamp over the long term will provide some very REAL benefits.

Oh, and no, my face hasnt burnt to a crisp yet. Im not sure who that is even possible - the lamp I use is about gentle as can be! It is not even close to one single blast of IPL. While I cant speak with too much authority, I would say that for me, RLT is about the safest treatment Iv tried to date. Damn, I find washing my face with the wrong soap burns me way more than this thing!

BB