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Artist
2nd November 2006, 12:14 AM
Based on this excellent article found by a support group memeber, I'd like to try the yellow LED in addition to my red/near infrared. I emailed acnelamp.com and they said they would make some. Anyone tried the yellow? Any feedback? -Artist


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/89464

Combining light-based treatments, topicals for rosacea
Aug 1, 2006
By: Louise Gagnon



National report — Light-based treatment, in combination with topical
treatment, is effective in relieving the symptoms of rosacea such as
acne, flushing and redness, one dermatologist says.

"Systemic or topical treatments are clearly efficacious in the
treatment of acne that occurs within the setting of rosacea, but do
little for the redness or flushing," says David Goldberg, M.D.,
director of Skin Laser & Surgery Specialists of New York and New
Jersey and a clinical professor of dermatology and director of laser
research at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York.

"Conversely, laser and laser light technology are highly effective in
the treatment of rosacea-induced redness and flushing, but don't work
well for the acne component of the condition. Nothing says you can't
combine standard treatment — that is, topical — with light-based
treatment," he says.

Patients who seek treatment from Dr. Goldberg generally have not found
relief with medications exclusively, and are seeking alternatives for
their symptoms, he says. Dr. Goldberg typically offers light sources,
such as intense pulsed light (IPL) and light-emitting diode (LED)
devices, to optimize outcome.

The advantage of a therapy like IPL is that it decreases erythema and
decreases the number of vessels in the skin and, therefore, the
flushing of the skin. The IPL is frequently combined with LED
treatments of various colors that have unique properties.

Technology differences

"Each technology does something a little different," Dr. Goldberg
says. "The yellow LED and IPL both lessen redness, so they work in
synergy. We will often combine the yellow LED with red LED, the latter
of which works well on the inflammation of the condition."

The LED devices do not cause pain and are not thermal, in contrast to
laser technologies, according to Dr. Goldberg.

"There is no risk such as scarring when using LED devices," Dr.
Goldberg says. "They can also work on any skin type, including ethnic
skin. You have to be more careful in using laser and laser-like
technologies because of their thermal effect."

Because lasers target melanin and there is greater melanin present in
darker-skinned individuals, light absorption via the laser is
inhibited, Dr. Goldberg explains. In contrast, the use of LED
treatments for rosacea is an option for all patients.

If a treatment such as metronidazole formulation is applied, and
inflammation arises, an LED device can treat the inflammation. In
addition, the use of LED minimizes the amount of topical metronidazole
that needs to be applied to the skin.

"Some topical treatments are effective and very commonly used, but
potentially very irritating," Dr. Goldberg says.

Antibiotics

If patients have severe rosacea, characterized by acne and
inflammation, clinicians may prescribe antibiotics, such as
minocycline administered orally; a topical agent; and light-based
treatment.

"The symptoms vary, so the treatments vary," Dr. Goldberg says. "You
might have the patient on antibiotics for a month or two, but the goal
would be to get them off antibiotics. If the patient, for instance,
were planning to get pregnant, being on antibiotics would be an issue.
It would be preferable to use topical treatment and IPL/LED. They can
have that treatment throughout pregnancy."

For middle-aged men who have rosacea and dilated blood vessels,
typically on the sides of their nose, IPL is not effective to treat
their larger blood vessels, so other light devices are necessary.

"In that instance, we would use a KTP (potassium-titanyl-phosphate) or
Nd:YAG (neodymium:yttrium aluminum garnet) laser, allowing us to
selectively target the dilated blood vessels and make them smaller,"
Dr. Goldberg says.

The most severe form of rosacea is rare, but features a bulbous nose,
and is treated with a more aggressive laser, Dr. Goldberg notes.

"They have what is referred to as a Jimmy Durante nose," Dr. Goldberg
says. "It occurs in older men. That will not respond to any oral or
topical medication. This problem has to be treated with an ablative
laser such as an erbium or carbon dioxide (CO2) laser."

Patients should reduce the triggers that dilate blood vessels and
cause skin flushing such as alcohol, spicy foods and sun exposure, Dr.
Goldberg advises.

"Cutting back on those triggers will lessen the symptoms," he says.
"It's a matter of moderation."

Twickle Purple
2nd November 2006, 12:45 AM
I have ordered a couple hand held units from the ledman. I have a small all red prototype he just did up that has 96 LEDs, is about the size of a pack of cards and is really light weight. Based on that I've ordered an all yellow and a red+yellow combo. I should have them next week. :D

redhotoz
8th November 2006, 05:07 PM
Hi Artist and TP

I would be very interested to hear how things go with yellow light thrown into the ring, so to speak. I don't know of anyone trying yellow light at the moment, well, nobody who has posted about it anyway (unless I've missed it).

Please do up-date on how you feel it works TP.

Thanks.

Jen

Artist
10th November 2006, 12:43 AM
Hi Jen: Sure thing. I'm hoping to get it within a week.

Cheers!

Artist

Twickle Purple
10th November 2006, 02:28 AM
Will do Ma'am. :D

Twickle Purple
19th November 2006, 08:50 PM
I've got the two little handhelds now. 96 LEDs per. One all yellow and one a mix of red + yellow. I already had an all red one. The little hand helds put out heat (the manufacturer runs up the power to increase the brightness). So what I'm doing is using each til they get warm and then just pop another colour head on. What I'll likely do after chocolate season is over (aka Christmas) is put the red handhelds away and use the yellow only.

Artist, do you have your yellow Acnelamp yet?

Artist
19th November 2006, 09:30 PM
Not yet. They did not offer it until I asked them if they could get one for me. Now they offer it on their site..he he he!! Anyway, I imagine it is taking a while to get the first batch together. I may not use it right away since I'm still early on with the red/near-infrared lamp. Almost five weeks now and I'm hooked! I just had Indian food and was delighted to see no redness afterwards. Of course, I steer clear of the really spicy dishes, but it all has a little bit of a kick to it. I wondered if my am RLT helped. It's hard to say becauase my food triggers can be unpredictable. I used the light for 15 minutes in the morning, then had the dish at 2pm. I wonder if using it just before a meal I know will bother my rosacea will allow me to eat more trigger foods. Well I will just have to experiment. Oh Darn..I'll have to eat all sorts of forbidden foods soon ;)

Cheers!

Artist

Twickle Purple
19th November 2006, 11:46 PM
I've been very bad lately and have been enjoying previously forbidden foods (I love curry and chocolate brandy beans), and when I flush after from the heat, or what-have-you, I use my LEDs. My face clears very quickly. I am waking up mornings almost always very pale now. My skin is looking kind of sallow actually without the red -- I think it needs a bit of sunlight. :wink:

Artist
20th November 2006, 01:23 AM
Twickle: Yeah me too! I wake up pale. Usually that first few hours I have pinkness on my upper cheeks, then it disappears as the day wears on. It drives me nuts because I can't figure out why. With the red light, though, I'm pale in the morning - so far...touch wood. It's been especially great since I switched to using it in the morning before getting out of bed. Seems like it just prevents that morning reaction I get. Also I can use it before something I think will make me flare like having company over with snacks and such, and knowing we will have the fireplace on. It's great! I'm going to try using it just before eating a meal that would normally make me flare. Maybe something like pizza or spaghetti. This might be pushing it, but worth a try. I'm only approaching week five.

Twickle you might like to try the RLT before eating the foods and see what happens. Let us know!!!

Artist

Twickle Purple
20th November 2006, 01:31 AM
In the name of science, I must have chocolate! I will indulge tonight. But use the LEDs for 10 minutes prior. :D

Artist
20th November 2006, 02:10 AM
9am: RLT then a piece of chocolate
11am: RLT then a piece of chocolate
1pm: RLT then a piece of chocolate......

Twickle Purple
20th November 2006, 02:12 AM
3pm: RLT then Treadmill :lol:

Artist
20th November 2006, 02:22 AM
ha ha! No kidding..

Let us know how the chocolate experiment goes :D

Artist

patrice
20th November 2006, 12:03 PM
Hello Artist ,
just wanted to ask you: did you have permanent redness ? Because that is ( one ) of my big problems . Do you think Led lamps could help in that case ?
I am so afraid to try new things because I don't think I can take much more burning and more redness!
My skin seemed to react ok to the new metronidazole creme but now after a few weeks it gets very dry and sensitve , when I put moisterer on i get papels and so on , I realy get so tired of always having to take care of everything i do , eat , put on my face etc .
I cannot see your picture ( probably cause I am not so good with the pc :) ) but reading al the positive comments it must be pretty good ! Have a very nice day the two of you
Patrice

Artist
20th November 2006, 02:56 PM
Patrice: No I don't think I have/had permanent redness so it's hard to say what RLT might do for that. Maybe someone else has permanent redness and is using RLT?

-Artist

Twickle Purple
21st November 2006, 06:54 AM
Patrice, Redness is, or rather was, one of my biggest symptoms.
The RLT works very well for that. It's too bad the metrocream is bothering you now, it started working on my base redness after a few weeks. But I never apply it by itself, it is too strong for my sensitive skin. I mix it with vaseline and my skin is very soft and smooth. The MetroLotion is supposed to be milder than the cream and I have found this to be the case. As well, the lotion is more 'greasy' so I suspect it may help with dryness. I also apply it with vaseline... I apply everything with vaseline! I have very dry skin.

Dr. Goldberg, from the first post on this thread:

"If a treatment such as metronidazole formulation is applied, and
inflammation arises, an LED device can treat the inflammation. In
addition, the use of LED minimizes the amount of topical metronidazole
that needs to be applied to the skin. "

This may be worth a shot for you.

Twickle Purple

patrice
21st November 2006, 01:54 PM
Thanks T.P.,
I am reading and following the posts regarding RLT and trying to figure outh witch one would be the best for me ! I always need some time to start with something new ....call me a chicken ( is that correct ? ) but you all know the feeling , first exitment because you can start something new than fear , will it work or will it once more not be the thing for me.
But I know who doesn't try never wins !
Patrice

Twickle Purple
21st November 2006, 03:44 PM
Patrice,

I would call that good and wise caution. There is such a scarcity of information on this though it can be disheartening.

If I can offer my suggestion: I have begun using a red+yellow combo now, and, based on the interview with Dr. Goldberg, it may be the one to consider. I would ask to try a course of MetroLotion (.75%) as well. Perhaps the combination of these two will do the trick. The thing to remember with both of these is the accumulative effect; you may not see a benefit for 2-3 weeks, and then, with dilligent use, you will.

Best of success with whatever you decide Patrice!

Twickle Purple

Artist
21st November 2006, 04:59 PM
Oh great Twickle! I wonder if results from the yellow take as long. I got the yellow head in the mail yesterday but I will have to get a lamp to put it in. I'm considering just getting a double-head lamp but they are so expensive. Maybe I'll just get another single head and have two. Sheesh, I'm gonna need a bigger night stand ;)

Artist

Twickle Purple
21st November 2006, 05:31 PM
Artist,

You know what they say: Two heads are better than one. :lol:

Would another stand give you more flexibility/mobility?

Twickle Purple

Artist
21st November 2006, 05:43 PM
ha ha ha Twickle, so true! You make a good point about flexibility.

I have a single head lamp already and I don't see any benefit in having three heads if I get a double headed lamp, except being able to brag about having three acne lamp heads, but that's not something I generally bring up at parties ;)

I like my red/near infrared head and simply want to add yellow to my routine...so I only need to buy a single head lamp. I wonder if having three lights in one head would be stretching it - red/near infrared/yellow.

Artist

Twickle Purple
21st November 2006, 06:01 PM
I have a single head lamp already and I don't see any benefit in having three heads if I get a double headed lamp, except being able to brag about having three acne lamp heads, but that's not something I generally bring up at parties ;)

Artist,

I would think it's a perfect thing to bring up at a party.... when some bore has you cornered. :wink: See how quickly they make an exit then!

I think of the 660+880nm as 'the big guns' and the yellow as the milder sibling. So, for me, I would keep them separate to have the flexibility of what to use and when. I wonder what colour you'd get when you run them at the same time? Bzzzt.

Twickle Purple

Artist
21st November 2006, 07:11 PM
paaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!! I'll have to remember that. I can also bring up the shower water softener and water pitcher filter I use. Oh, and not to forget my intricate face-washing method. I'll make tons of friends with that one. ha ha ha!

Artist

Twickle Purple
21st November 2006, 07:14 PM
:lol: To bad I live far away, I could watch for you at parties!