**POLL** Low Level Light Therapy / Red Light Therapy

[Twickle Purple]

How many of us use or are interested in trying LLLT/RLT (Low Level Light Therapy/Red Light Therapy)?

I've tried to include as many different options/opinions as possible.
I didn't find an option to chose more than one selection, so if you use it please make another post to indicate whether or not it's making a difference for you.

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I use Red.
I see an improvement in symptoms.

[GJ]

I use red.
Some improvement in symptoms.

A second bash at LED treatment. Six or so weeks in. Skin texture has improved. Flushing response muted a touch. Persistent redness less marked.

I can relax during sessions now. Flushing has been provoked not once.

As winter approaches my symptoms invariably get worse. I hope LLLT will minimise the extent of the deterioration.

[Twickle Purple]

Wishing you moist and dewey winter skin, GJ :wink:

[Lookout]

Hi Twicklepurple!!! :lol:

I am just starting to use the red+near infrared and as of yet I can't say I see improvement....skin looks white for about 1 minute after session but redness comes back.

How are you recovering? I have had some up days and some bad...I am somewhere in the middle right now...Take care :lol:

[Twickle Purple]

Hi there Lookout!

I'm doing really well, I'd say about 85% recovered from Gemini, just the glass shard feeling under the skin and broken blood vessels, I had this last time and it takes the longest to pass.

In my experience, the effects of the low level light therapy are accumulative, this has been commented on by others too -- that you build on each time you use it. So your paleness lasts longer and the flushing becomes more and more sporadic and reduced. I still have flushes, they happen every day, but they go away quickly instead of lingering and they are more defined instead of all over stem to stern so to speak. ;) Some changes are so subtle at first, that it doesn't register until the difference is remarkable, like the dry (I'm talking sub sahara) skin on my face is gone, my skin barrier is healing. It's never been like this my entire life.

I haven't tried te 660nm+880nm yet. I hope you're covering your eyes well with it, even though you don't see the 880nm when the LEDs are lit, they are active a can damage the eye balls. 8)

Big hugs!
Twickle Purple

[Twickle Purple]

^^

[GJ]

I hope you're covering your eyes well with it, even though you don't see the 880nm when the LEDs are lit, they are active and can damage the eye balls. 8)



If someone has found an appropriate set of goggles or hit upon a good idea for protecting the eyes from infrared light levels, I would be very grateful to hear about it. (Preferably something that does not involve lifting the eyelid and placing a plate underneath it or some such. Eek!')

Thanks.

[redhotoz]

Hi GJ

Anthony ('pontypool') posted this in August. These look like nice goggles:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=3992

Hope this helps.

Jen

[Twickle Purple]

These are the stainless steel eye shield goggles that came with my 880/660 lamp panels:

http://www.acnelamp.com/product.php?id=1901-p

My orbs are a bit bigger than what they cover so I'm still looking for something a bit bigger. I'm going to see an opthamologist and I'll ask if he has any leads.

Cheers,
Twickle Purple

[redhotoz]

Sheesh TP! They would want to be darn good goggles for $125! Ouch!

Please do let us know what your Ophthalmologist has to say after you've seen him.

Jen

[Twickle Purple]

Sheesh TP! They would want to be darn good goggles for $125! Ouch!

Please do let us know what your Ophthalmologist has to say after you've seen him.

Jen

That price is obscene isn't it. I'll find something more reasonable.

[redhotoz]

That price is obscene isn't it. I'll find something more reasonable.

Sure is! You have wonderful research skills TP, so if anyone can find the right product at the right price, it will be you! :D

I have voted in the Poll but haven't managed to organise myself to post my experience in this thread yet. I wasn't sure whether to go for option one or the option about having positive results. I eventually went for option one with the option to post my findings...I just haven't done that yet! Slap me hard and fast now, so the pain goes away quickly! :lol: Aren't Polls hard to put together?! Finding the right questions to ask, since only one response can be given!

Good thread. I hope more reply but Polls notoriously receive little attention. Don't know why really? Sigh! I love them! Current count at 17 indicates a good response, believe it or not!

Jen

[Twickle Purple]

I tried to ask all the questions, good or bad, but it is limiting still!

The problem I've found when looking for LED related merchandise is that there are so few that sell them that they gouge us in the pocket book for something that must cost a pittance to make. :evil: The LEDMAN was the fairest of all, so I don't put him in that category.

No pain dearie, just gentle hugs of encouragement :D

[GJ]

Thankyou, TP. Thankyou, Jen. And thanks to Anthony too.

When I get around to buying an 880 array I think I will plump for Anthony's pick since with their attractive chrome finish they will add a touch of style to my LLLT sessions. 8)

They also cost less than the array itself. Which helps!

[Twickle Purple]

This site is geared to veterinarians, as they have been using this since the early 70s. Anyone interested in LLLT should read articles regarding this usage, this is akin to animals 'trials' and has the most information. It also references human studies.

http://www.emersonww.com/LaserFAQs.htm

An excerpt:

Q. Are there any negative effects from LLLT?

A. In all the years that low level lasers have been tested in research and clinical applications, no adverse side effects or negative impacts have been reported. This is why the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) classifies lasers like the Respond Laser Therapy Systems as “Non-Significant Risk” devices, requiring a minimum of safety precautions. The only precaution is that which discourages direct viewing of the laser beam. Care should be exercised not to stare into the laser beam or to point it at the eyes, and the use of safety glasses is recommended.

Q. How long have low level lasers been used for therapy?

A. Low level lasers have been used by doctors in hospitals and clinics in Europe on both humans and animals since the early 1970’s. In fact, the first studies reporting positive effects of laser on wound healing in rats were reported by the Hungarian researcher Andre Mester as early as 1968. In the United States, therapeutic lasers have been used by veterinarians since the late 1970’s. Just recently the U.S. FDA has given marketing approval to laser therapy devices for human use, beginning the trend to widespread use of LLLT in the United States.

Q. In simple terms, what does LLLT do?

A. A huge amount of research data has been collected on the effects of laser therapy (over 2000 double-blind studies) both in laboratory and clinical settings. The following excerpts demonstrate some of the most significant results: (Check the bibliography if you would like to do some in-depth reading.)

1. Wound healing is significantly improved by low level laser therapy, even non-healing wounds, thought to be due to the increased level of collagen brought about by laser treatment. Collagen, the chief constituent of connective tissue, is recognized as the most important ingredient in wound healing. See Dr. Andre F. Mester and Dr. Adam Mester, LLLT and Wound Healing, John Wiley and Sons, Ltd., 1989.

2. Increases in blood flow by means of capillary and arterial widening of the lumen of blood vessels, vasodilatation. See Dr. Toshiaki Kami, Effects of Low Power Diode Lasers, Annals of Plastic Surgery, Vol. 14, No. 3, March 1985. (Dr. Kami’s work also showed that the laser light significantly increased the formation of new capillary paths in treated areas, which resulted in increased circulation.)

3. Marked improvement in re-establishment of the lymphatic system after trauma, resulting in reduction of swelling. This is due to the evacuation of dirty proteins by the regenerated lymphatic vessels. (See Dr. P.C. Lieven, The Influence of Laser on the Lymphatic Systems, Presented at the American Society for Laser Medicine and Surgery, Eight Annual Meeting, Dallas, Texas 4/25-4/28, 1988)

4. Laser light stimulates release of the body’s own killing chemicals such as endorphins and enkephalins Facilitating natural, long lasting pain relief. Dr. Wolfgang Rauermeister, Director of Pain Control Center at Parkwood Hospital, Massachusetts, USA has provided the best explanation of these pain reduction capabilities:
“The laser light stimulates the release of the body’s own pain killing chemicals such as endorphins and enkephalins from the brain, adrenal glands, and other areas, thus facilitating long lasting pain relief.”

Low level laser therapy is an effective therapy, working in harmony with the body’s own healing and relieving mechanisms. There are no harmful side effects reported from laser therapy.

[fut]

I have been using Red Light Therapy for more than a month now and I have to say I am so happy with the results I am acheiving. The progress is definately cumulative. At first I would just be pale for a few minutes right after RLT and then it'd return back to my regular base redness. (Check my past posts about this effect)

Now over time I have noticed that my base redness has diminished greatly! My skin is more even toned. There is still some redness there but I have to say it has decreased by 30-50%. That 30%-50% is not perfect but its such a significant change that my skin almost looks like any other regular guy with a slightly rosy cheeks. It's no longer at the point where it looks irregular, if you know what I mean.

I will not forget to mention the profound effect I am gettting with flushing and burning. Burning was a problem in my worst days. IPL helped with it and so did Accutane but now RLT has eradicated burning totally. No more random phantom burning episodes.

I still flush while working out. I still feel uncomfortable in indoor heat. I still blush in semi-embarrasing situations. But even the symptoms of my rosacea that lingers have been reduced significantly.

Two thumbs up for RLT.

Bloody marvellous, Fut. :D

[GJ]

Mr Guest, you took the words right out of my mouth!

[Twickle Purple]

I have been using Red Light Therapy for more than a month now and I have to say I am so happy with the results I am acheiving. The progress is definately cumulative. At first I would just be pale for a few minutes right after RLT and then it'd return back to my regular base redness. (Check my past posts about this effect)

Now over time I have noticed that my base redness has diminished greatly! My skin is more even toned. There is still some redness there but I have to say it has decreased by 30-50%. That 30%-50% is not perfect but its such a significant change that my skin almost looks like any other regular guy with a slightly rosy cheeks. It's no longer at the point where it looks irregular, if you know what I mean.

I will not forget to mention the profound effect I am gettting with flushing and burning. Burning was a problem in my worst days. IPL helped with it and so did Accutane but now RLT has eradicated burning totally. No more random phantom burning episodes.

I still flush while working out. I still feel uncomfortable in indoor heat. I still blush in semi-embarrasing situations. But even the symptoms of my rosacea that lingers have been reduced significantly.

Two thumbs up for RLT.

That's great to hear Fut!

[Twickle Purple]

Sheesh TP! They would want to be darn good goggles for $125! Ouch!

I've dug this up:

http://www.clevelandsightcenter.org/eyedea/viewProducts.aspx?category=26

From what I've found in my searches it could be as simple as this.
And $2.50 can't be beat. :wink:

[Twickle Purple]

I want to add this to that bit I put in regarding FAQs for LLLT:

An LED and a laser device using 660nm wavelength light will create the same response in the body. The difference is coherent and non-coherent light.

Here's a copy and paste from this site (http://www.redlighthealing.com/facts.htm) that explains it succinctly:

Monochromatic single wavelength light can only be produced in two ways - Low Power/Cold Laser (coherent light) or with a powerful light-emitting diode, LED (non-coherent light). Although much of the low power laser research is directly applicable to the use of LED's, LED's non-coherent light is entirely safe.

Dr Tiina Karu, of the Laser Technology Centre of Russia, found in the late 80's that the non-coherent light (LED's) was found to be as effective as coherent light and without the risk associated with cold lasers.

[Twickle Purple]

^^ bumpity bump

[Artist]

I use red + near infrared
I see improvement

-Artist

[Artist]

I was only able to vote that I use red + near infrared. How do I also vote that I saw improvement? -Artist

[Artist]

I have been using Red Light Therapy for more than a month now and I have to say I am so happy with the results I am acheiving. The progress is definately cumulative. At first I would just be pale for a few minutes right after RLT and then it'd return back to my regular base redness. (Check my past posts about this effect)

Now over time I have noticed that my base redness has diminished greatly! My skin is more even toned. There is still some redness there but I have to say it has decreased by 30-50%. That 30%-50% is not perfect but its such a significant change that my skin almost looks like any other regular guy with a slightly rosy cheeks. It's no longer at the point where it looks irregular, if you know what I mean.

I will not forget to mention the profound effect I am gettting with flushing and burning. Burning was a problem in my worst days. IPL helped with it and so did Accutane but now RLT has eradicated burning totally. No more random phantom burning episodes.

I still flush while working out. I still feel uncomfortable in indoor heat. I still blush in semi-embarrasing situations. But even the symptoms of my rosacea that lingers have been reduced significantly.

Two thumbs up for RLT.

Fut my results sound like yours so far. I've been using the red + near infrared for 15 days. My skin is pale right after, even if I've just done something that made it pink/red.

Right now I use it for 15 minutes every night, and sometimes for five or ten minutes in the morning after getting ready.

So far so good!

Artist

[Twickle Purple]

I was only able to vote that I use red + near infrared. How do I also vote that I saw improvement? -Artist

Hi Artist,

The Poll tool does not allow multiple selections per vote (bit of a limitation), so I tried to cover the bases and hoped folks might post further details.

Thanks for posting!
Twickle Purple

[Steve95301]

I have been using Red Light Therapy for more than a month now and I have to say I am so happy with the results I am acheiving. The progress is definately cumulative. At first I would just be pale for a few minutes right after RLT and then it'd return back to my regular base redness. (Check my past posts about this effect)

Now over time I have noticed that my base redness has diminished greatly! My skin is more even toned. There is still some redness there but I have to say it has decreased by 30-50%. That 30%-50% is not perfect but its such a significant change that my skin almost looks like any other regular guy with a slightly rosy cheeks. It's no longer at the point where it looks irregular, if you know what I mean.

I will not forget to mention the profound effect I am gettting with flushing and burning. Burning was a problem in my worst days. IPL helped with it and so did Accutane but now RLT has eradicated burning totally. No more random phantom burning episodes.

I still flush while working out. I still feel uncomfortable in indoor heat. I still blush in semi-embarrasing situations. But even the symptoms of my rosacea that lingers have been reduced significantly.

Two thumbs up for RLT.


That is so cool...

[Artist]

Ah now I see. Thanks Twickle Purple. -Artist

[kimmyd]

Has anyone in the U.S. had this done or is it only available in Canada?

[Twickle Purple]

Hi Kimmyd,

This is a home-based treatment using a device that emits a particular wavelength of light. There are many web sites that sell these, they come a various shapes and sizes.

TP

[Darcy47]

If someone has found an appropriate set of goggles or hit upon a good idea for protecting the eyes from infrared light levels, I would be very grateful to hear about it. (Preferably something that does not involve lifting the eyelid and placing a plate underneath it or some such. Eek!')

Thanks.

Hi: I bought my RLT from "Jellen" and they sell the goggles and I use those - they were $5.00. Darcy

[Darcy47]

I bought my RLT machine from "Jellen" and they sold plastic goggles for $4.99 and use those - have not had a problem. /Darcy

[mikey]

Hi guys I just bought a dual LED unit from the LEDMAN. with both red and infra red LEDS. I was wondering if instead of wearing goggles if I could make an enclosure around the unit which will stop the light from coming out from around it and potentially into my eyes.
If so, I'd just like to know what materials would be sufficient to not allow the Infra red light to penetrate through. Would say the coloured plastic used in ice cream containers or other tupperware containers be sufficient? Or is something more heavy duty required?

Thankyou,
Mike