Dr. Nase Sets the Record Straight with Facts

[MariaCappolla]

Hi Group,

My name is Maria Cappolla. I have never posted here before as I usually just like to read. I have to say that most people here are great but a few bad apples seem to sour this entire forum. I will state up front that I am a big Nase supporter. Not because of his website, book or posts, but because of personal interaction. 14 months ago I was getting treated experimentally for hypertension with G Protein modifiers. To my surprise, 7 months ago on a follow up visit to the Hospital Clinic I heard Dr. Nase's name paged. I excused myself from the physician and ran to see if it was Dr. Nase. Our Dr. Nase. It was. Strange. He was there with a load of doctors from the same Clinic and Biotech company testing me. I introduced myself and he took time out to talk to me. He had been talking to this company and doctors about G Protein Biological Modifiers. Same stuff I was taking to open up my blood vessels. He saw I had rosacea and asked if I wanted to join a small study right there and then. I said yes. If I can explain this right. A G protein when attached to the vessel wall can cause sustained dilation for hypertension. On the other hand if you block it or uncouple it (from his website) you do the opposite. I listened with the other dozen participants. He started the program, brought in the needle injectors and also brought a portable wand for delivery. So, he had four different companies joining together just for rosacea. My red face was terribly flushed especially with the hypertension drugs. Dr. Nase put this wand on my face with a drug applicator -- like the wet mops. 10 minutes and done. Face was 100% white. I cried. He then stuck me in a preheated room for 30 minutes (tropical room) came out and I was white as a ghost. A second doctor put glycolic acid on my face and no reaction. Seriously. Then they fed us -- Thai food. Just sweated. Still white. It was a dream. 25 years plus beet red. Gone. Triggers gone. It has been 7 months now with follow up every 30 days when Dr. Nase flies in and takes samples and recordings with gadgets that look like they were from a movie. For 5 months 24 hurs a day, 7 days a week I have been rosacea free, trigger free, Free. The last two months I have had mild pinkness to triggers, but still a white face. 10 minutes of treatment and 7 months of no rosacea. So, I have met Dr. Nase 7 times in person. The four companies, the countless physicians all sit down and take notes. He put them all together. No bigger hero in my book. Challenged us with the hardest triggers. He figures the treatments should last 6 to 9 months and then redo. So, for me to read and watch the NRS for 6 years not produce one viable treatment and see Dr. Nase working behind the scenes getting everyone together by reversing a hypertension drug and then selling them on it for us........ who else. I will do my best to answer questions but I will not take any grief from the four or five people who have finally been exposed for who they are. Dr. Nase's update tonight was eyeopening. He has kept quiet and taken the high road for long enough. If any of you walked in to the clinic and was treated like I was -- with absolute care and a serious gleem in his eye that tells you rosacea is his enemy -- everyone would sit back and relax. We are in good hands whether you know it or not. A chance meeting showed me fiirst hand that Dr. Nase is still fighting for us. BTW, for those nasties who put up photos of him on steroids -- hes about 6 feet tall and 190 pounds -- I personally asked as I know he wont go down that road. The G protein stuff is real. They are starting a larger trial and I am done, but Dr. Nase will continue to treat me as long as the physicians OK it. He really is not suppose to but he understands -- you cant just taste freedom and then be locked up again for a few years.I think everyone should read his update. I think everyone needs to remember his 8 years of posts. How long did oother doctors last -- 4 or 5 months under scrutiny? Good luck to everyone. In my mind anyone who has rosacea is automatically a friend. I thnk that should be a rule.


http://drnase.com/rosacea_hot_topics.htm#New

Maria

[Quench]

Dr. Nase put this wand on my face

Now he has a magic wand! :D

Really! This is pathetic.

[sweden]

so what if he has helped you? He is still totally crazy and has lied about a hundred million things..seriously get you facts straight before you defend him, it is his own fault people turned against him. Get real!

[Peter]

Hello

This sounds remarkably like another Maria from the past to me.

I just cannot believe what I am reading here.

Having also just gone into the link provided I can only think that he has totally lost the plot all together because it's just a mass of total nonsense especially concerning RLT.

Here we go again.

Peter

[Millie]

Lets check that IP address - the only person who ever started a thread with "Hi Group" was Geoffrey Nase. This is bizarro world at its best!

Welcome to the forum, "Maria!"

[redhotoz]

Hi Maria

Welcome to the Forum.

It is very encouraging to hear that you are now Rosacea free. After all, that is what we all want.

I am assuming, since my name has been mentioned several times in the link you have provided, you are including me in the "four or five people who have finally been exposed for who they are." I find this up-date very sad really. Honestly, I don't mind if everyone reads the link you provided because I know that the nasty things that have been written about me are not true. I shall take the time to correct the errors another time but for now, I am interested in your Rosacea free progress. That is what we are here for.

How exciting for you that you happened to be at the right place at the right time to be invited to join the study, there and then. What a stroke of luck! I was wondering if you are in contact with the other participants and how they went. It would be interesting to know how many of the 12 participants responded well from this treatment. If so, it would be great if you could direct them to this site to give their own report on how it went for them. Could you let us know which hospital clinic the study was undertaken? Have you received a written summary of findings so far?

Could you let us know what your Rosacea was like before the treatment, please? Like, did you have any p&p's? Was your face normally more oily or dry? Any other co-existing conditions, like Seb Derm? Did you flush every day or infrequently? Do you think you had mild, moderate or severe Rosacea before treatment? Any eye or nose issues? How long did you have Rosacea before treatment?

Thanks

Jen

[fut]

Millie was right about the Hi Group thing.

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=1485&highlight=group

"Hi Group,"




I wonder how many people use two dashes -- exactly in that fashion like that on our small forum? It sems to be two people, Maria and Dr. Nase.

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=2293&highlight=

"Lyrica works on the sensory pain receptors shown to be active in rosacea. Its actions are ideally suited for our disorder. Lyrica reduces burning sensations within 4 to 6 weeks by calming hyperexcited neurons. This is our disorder -- hyperexcited Sensory C fibers that cause the burning rosacea face. The Pfizer home page has a good description of the oral med, its side effect and release date.

The treatment of the burning face has eluded us for decades -- hopefully this will finally give some sufferers a break from the pain.

Update -- Lyrica available now."




http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=2630&highlight=

We can measaure this subjectively -- patient reports and objectively by measureing several major nerves to check nerve conduction velocities, nerve swelling or axonal plasma transport.

Two weeks into the study -- My results:

1. Blood tests show very low blood levels -- about 10% above Noritate which is great


Come to your own conclusions but this to me is so obviously Dr. Nase. It's quite sad what this has come to.

[sweden]

Hello "Maria Cappolla"! (are you sure the name you were gonna choose wasn't actually Sofia Coppola, but you didn´t want it to sound too much like a lie so you just mixed it up a bit?)
Maria sure seems to be a very close friend to Nase that's for sure, knowing his exact weight and height lol! (Isn't that a weird thing to ask someone whos treating you, asking their weight and how tall they are!?) "BTW, for those nasties who put up photos of him on steroids -- hes about 6 feet tall and 190 pounds -- I personally asked as I know he wont go down that road" (didn´t you just go down that road with this post, as you obviously are Nase?)

Also, in the middle of a meeting with your physician you heard them page Dr.Nase, and then you excused yourself and ran to see if it really was him? Righhhht...That seems like the logical thing to do :? , couldn't you just have asked your physician if it was Geoffrey Nase? Your post is so infected with psychological inconsistencies that I don't see how anybody could buy that story; sorry but that's just my honest opinion Maria. The part about them feeding you thai food is almost so unlikely it makes me laugh..was that part of their scientific tests?

I´m actually convinced Nase suffers from a compulsive lieing disorder. It pisses me off that Nase and the few people that back him up always try to get the message across that there is many who stand by him, I don't know what you guys think but frankly I dont see how that possibly could be.
This has to be one of the most childish and moronic attempts Nase EVER has done to change the publics degrading perception of him.

BTW -- great observations fut! -- :D

[Millie]

Maria wrote: "I will do my best to answer questions."

Thanks, Maria.

As this began 7 months ago (In Feb), which hospital did this take place in? Where do you meet Geoffrey Nase? What clinic is he doing his work in - it must be out of Indiana, as he flies in and out. How much does he charge? How long are your consultations? Does he still have rosacea? (he has claimed to be in complete remission.)

I am suprised that you did not post this info earlier, as I have been wondering if anyone has ever consulted with Geoffrey Nase. You are the first!

Thank you for answering my questions!

[Steve95301]

He's not even trying to hide the fact that it's him.

1) Nase always overuses the word "facts" in a very distinct way. The title of the thread is " Dr. Nase Sets the Record Straight with Facts."

2) If you follow the link, he makes the same spelling error there: "ee" for what should be "ea":

Dr. Darm breeched the contract, not because of me, but because his hidden unbenounced loss of medical licenses was circulated across the Internet by a competing laser physician.

And from "MariaCapolla":


...a serious gleem in his eye...


3) Nase often repeats a short statement (1 or 2 words) to emphasize points. For example,

I only posted about Dr. Darm 3 times. Three times.

The main salesman, Peter Waters has been involved for almost 3 years. Fact. He never had Rosacea. Fact.

I called 8 out of about 30 red light Internet sales sites. 8 out of 8 were accepting people to sell these systems for 10% to 15% commision. Fact.

It's a very distinct, abrupt style of writing. From ""MariaCapolla":

A second doctor put glycolic acid on my face and no reaction. Seriously. Then they fed us -- Thai food. Just sweated. Still white. It was a dream. 25 years plus beet red. Gone. Triggers gone.

Same abrupt style.

4) From "MariaCapolla":

If I can explain this right. A G protein when attached to the vessel wall can cause sustained dilation for hypertension. On the other hand if you block it or uncouple it (from his website) you do the opposite.

Sounds like an expert trying to sound like they're not an expert.

5) And of course, Dr. Nase is constantly reminding people of the "8 years" he's helped rosaceans. It's a constant theme in his posts. From "MariaCapolla":

I think everyone needs to remember his 8 years of posts.

He's not even trying to hide, he's making it obvious.

[cheesy]

Oh dear oh dear

[Twickle Purple]

ROTFLMAO!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sweden]

Steve do you actually think it's his intention to make it obvious? Come on, he's just such a bad actor it's almost hilarious. What strikes me the most is the lack of self-criticism that Nase, as long as I can remember, puts forward, and the endless love for himself and his "accomplishments".
In a previous post you mentioned that you missed "the science. Dr. Nase, at the very least, always brought that to the table." Are you serious? Cause exaggerating the positive effects of treatments and putting forward facts, that he can´t prove a majority of the times, and seem to be taken out of the blue, is NOT science. In conclusion, that is why Nase isn't a real doctor, cause he doesn't comprehend that a real doctor always has to take full responsibility for what he has previously claimed, a real doctor always has to PROVE that his statements are correct, and finally, a real doctor doesn't lurk around in internet forums pretending to be other people!!! You can't make up titels such as "rosacea specialist" either, you don´t earn a title and just hand it to yourself, you achieve certain things to get a title; it cant be self-proclaimed. My god...Geoffrey Nase you are an adult, start acting like one and quit fooling around!

[Twickle Purple]

Steve do you actually think it's his intention to make it obvious? Come on, he's just such a bad actor it's almost hilarious. What strikes me the most is the lack of self-criticism that Nase, as long as I can remember, puts forward, and the endless love for himself and his "accomplishments".
In a previous post you mentioned that you missed "the science. Dr. Nase, at the very least, always brought that to the table." Are you serious? Cause exaggerating the positive effects of treatments and putting forward facts, that he can´t prove a majority of the times, and seem to be taken out of the blue, is NOT science. In conclusion, that is why Nase isn't a real doctor, cause he doesn't comprehend that a real doctor always has to take full responsibility for what he has previously claimed, a real doctor always has to PROVE that his statements are correct, and finally, a real doctor doesn't lurk around in internet forums pretending to be other people!!! You can't make up titels such as "rosacea specialist" either, you don´t earn a title and just hand it to yourself, you achieve certain things to get a title; it cant be self-proclaimed. My god...Geoffrey Nase you are an adult, start acting like one and quit fooling around!

=D> Well said!

[Twickle Purple]

Holy crapoli, I just read Nase' "rebuttal" on his site. He called me Twinkie :lol: I wonder if it was a term of endearment? I am amazed to read him say that there are folks selling RLT on our site. Sheesh, I wish I had of known that!!

SHOUT OUT !!! Anyone, please let me know where I can buy a unit from you?? I am testing all different types from different manufacturers so the more the better. Thanks.

My most favourite part was the non-existant court case. :shock: For real, he posted that!!!! Just about sputtered coffee on to my laptop. This guy is so funny, in an insane kind of way. Anyone reading this forum and his site and that still follows his path is sunk no matter how hard we try to help or caution.

Twinkie :D I'm a twinkie.

[Quench]

I know that this is infuriating for some of us but I feel a tiny bit uncomfortable as I am sure that Dr Nase is mentally ill. Perhaps we should just encourage him to get help? If he could get back on the right road again, maybe he would turn around and be an asset to us once again?

[cheesy]

Just out of interest...were all the operations and near death experiences proved to have occurred or not?

[banshee]

Hi all-

I'm sad to see that I keep getting drug into this when I haven't supported nor partaken in any board war or personal attacks. I feel my condition & private decisions are being misrepresented or taken out of context on the site. And I don't understand as I've never had anything but congenial/ respectful exchanges with & about Dr.Nase publicly & privately.

To clarify, I turned down the Rosacea Board position because it was for Secretary. I explained I was flattered & appreciated the offer, but I wanted to focus on getting well. Truthfully I was trying to decline politiely as I had spent so many years doing admin assistant jobs I did not want to take on similar duties.

In terms of the red light, I've said in the past I've stopped it for long periods & have noticed a decline. Here's a thread (http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=2778&highlight=abcense+absence) where I replied as an i.e.

The archives here & on rosacea support are full of information about red light & ppl are intelligent enough to weigh the pros/cons so they can make the decision that is right for them. I think it would be a terrible disservice to the Rosacea community to dismiss this therapy outright w/o more study. Especially since many beneficial therapies have started with anecdotal reports. I'm all for something better but until then I think we owe it to ourselves to consider all options available.

I am much better than I was 4 yrs ago & attribute some of that to the red light.

It's not about who is right or wrong imo, it's about helping ppl to get well.

[Twickle Purple]

Just out of interest...were all the operations and near death experiences proved to have occurred or not?

No, he immediately ended the court case when that matter was brought forward.

[IowaDavid]

I know that this is infuriating for some of us but I feel a tiny bit uncomfortable as I am sure that Dr Nase is mentally ill. Perhaps we should just encourage him to get help? If he could get back on the right road again, maybe he would turn around and be an asset to us once again?


Just out of interest...were all the operations and near death experiences proved to have occurred or not?

No, he immediately ended the court case when that matter was brought forward.


Just go back and read his post history--if you're leaning toward the "something is wrong there" camp, you're not alone. Blatant contradictions of "facts" from the mouth of a "rosacea specialist" might key some fence-sitters into the game here.

That, and the puppet accounts. And Nase's loss in court. And his association with pharmaceutical companies.

Not to take away from his help to all of us, it just sounds like he's lost his way.


David

[supdawg234]

My question is, is the G- Protein thing real? Everyone has been "calling each other out" but I'd like to focus on the actual treatment part of the message.

[prometheus]

Who originally came up with the low dose accutane as a treatment? This is a serious question? Was it Dr. Nase or someone else because I really don't know. I do know that Dr. Nase talked about melantan or how ever you spell it a long time ago. The one I was looking forward to though was the dapsone for rosacea skin. Is there any new word on that does anyone know?

[sweden]

Nase coming up with low dose accutane as a treatment!!?? Are you really being serious when you´re asking that, cause that´s like asking if Nase came up with antibiotics as a treatment for rosacea too. If you read Nase´s book you can see the sources he mentions when it comes to accutane, but those people obviously aren't those who "came up" with low dose accutane as a treatment for rosacea either. It´s kinda funny (or just sad) how things Nase reads about or has heard of somehow ends up being his own discoveries lol!
BTW- didn´t notice until now that "MARIA CAPPOLLA" (his choice of name just makes me laugh) joined the forum the same day she posted her first mail.

[DukeCity]

Maybe Maria would consent to talking to one of us over the telephone, a PM would be discreet to give the phone number and I'd be willing to call her or vice-a-versa and reverse the charges... by the way I always use " -- " too... and I assure you, I'm not the good Doctor.

[sweden]

I encourage everyone to take a look at www.debunkingnase.org and read it through before making any payments to Nase, whether it´s for becoming a member of his upcoming forum or for consultations. Especially the part about the court case if you're still in doubt about who´s really speaking the truth, which can be found at http://www.debunkingnase.org/index.php?title=Court_Case_Finally_Over

[supdawg234]

I like Dukes Idea, seems more constructive.

[Steve95301]

The G-protein treatment does sound promising, and of course as biotechnology improves a serious breakthrough is bound to happen. But Dr. Nase's posts always seem geared towards getting people excited.... he makes it seem like it's right around the corner, and it's not.... just like his forum, or his quarterly reports...

I never would have learned about IPL or low-dose isotretinoin if it wasn't for Dr. Nase, and it's a fact that he knows more about rosacea than this whole board put together. Like Quench said,

I know that this is infuriating for some of us but I feel a tiny bit uncomfortable as I am sure that Dr Nase is mentally ill.

I agree, not being sarcastic at all, that Dr. Nase may have a serious psychological problem. And let's face it, if there's a disease that leaves psychological scars on a person, it's rosacea. That's why his behavior is disturbing, and not funny.

[prometheus]

Nase coming up with low dose accutane as a treatment!!?? Are you really being serious when you´re asking that, cause that´s like asking if Nase came up with antibiotics as a treatment for rosacea too. If you read Nase´s book you can see the sources he mentions when it comes to accutane, but those people obviously aren't those who "came up" with low dose accutane as a treatment for rosacea either. It´s kinda funny (or just sad) how things Nase reads about or has heard of somehow ends up being his own discoveries lol!
BTW- didn´t notice until now that "MARIA CAPPOLLA" (his choice of name just makes me laugh) joined the forum the same day she posted her first mail.

Apparantly you didn't read my post. I was asking a question. Has anyone heard any news about dapsone for rosacea?

[bentherebefore]

I have been involved in these boards (ESFB... etc etc) for about as many years as anyone else. I try to always stay objective, to call it like I see it.

Steve brings up a vital point... whatever your opinion is of Nase's virtues, scruples, tactics, etc, he does possess more knowledge and access to rosacea information that any of us ever will. Which is why I will be, carefully, participating in his forum when it comes about.
That is to say, I will be participating if it's free. If there is a cost, I would most likely have to say no.

All I care about is treatment, TREATMENT, so that we can all live our days without this dreadful thing. There is so much to live for.

[Ajay]

who ever came up with low dose accutain for rosacea to me is not important what it is that it was brought to our attention or mine any way by Dr Nase and this forum, I wouldn't have had a clue otherwise

[hozer2k]

I think a lot of us that have been around for several years recognize his contributions. I think a lot of the newer people are bashing him, and rightfully so, for the way he has behaved the last couple years. Its pretty sad to see a guy who was once very helpful to deteriorate like this. But as someone who has been around the boards for several years, as opposed to just a few, I think we should take it easier on him. After all, he has probably still contributed more any single person on the boards. To the bashers...where is your book that has helped so many? Where is your advice that has helped so many? How about bringing treatments to members to light? If it werent for Nase, maybe you wouldnt know as much as you do today about rosacea. Everyone can read the debunking site...and I do believe it, but still...the guy has made contributions like noone else has. Give the guy a break and judge his board for what it is. If it costs some money, so frickin what if it sucks and someone gets ripped off $50. Ugg...I am just babbling now, but its frustrating to see these new people bash him and not realize we are where we are today in large part because of Nase.

[lobster222222]

prometheus
I put something in the news, research section about dapsone study or clinical trial, its under "Did someone say dapsone" but thats all i have heard.

[coldbliss]

I absolutely agree with Hozer2K. Dr. Nase might have some psychological issues and he can pile on the bull shit at times. I didn't appreciate the personal attacks by Dr. Nase against certain members of the rosacea community either. However, the behavior of certain posters in this is forum doesn't help either.

I recall a time when Dr. Nase offered sensible advice through the Yahoo support group and his book has been a real helpful guide to understanding the causes of rosacea and the best treatment options out there. I think a certain group in this forum continues to harbor ill feelings towards Nase b/c of the RRF fiasco and red-light therapy debates. That's too bad because I think just about everyone here has great ideas and compassion.

I would rather have a Dr. Nase who is off his rocker and still fighting for a cure than a Geoffrey Nase who is completely removed from the rosacea research world.

[Twickle Purple]

Wow, folks around here who try to do something good are discounted because they haven't written a book?

There are other books on Rosacea out there, and books with Rosacea treatments -- I have 4, and none of them were written by Nase. Or reference Nase or even mention Nase.

And because some of us weren''t around for years somehow our voice is less valid? Well, I'll speak up and say that I've put my money where my mouth is, I've tried to help and share what I have learned. I've posted a complete journey, before, during, and, hopefully, after. All I can do is that, it's honest, it's upfront, it's no more than what you see. Anyone making grand claims can and should do the same.

The only thing Nase has offered is convenience, and folks are carrying on like there's no one else that has this knowledge, no one else shares or cares like Nase. That's just not true, Nase is not part of what he posts, he lives in the reflected glory. What it appears he does is scrounge around for all he can and consolidate it into an all you can eat buffet -- a one stop shop. He's a convenient infomercial. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

I'm not looking for someone to help me, I'm going to help myself. I will rely on what I learn -- from as many sources as I can find. And, if there's anyone else out there that benefits from what I share it makes all this worth it.

[sweden]

I just want to clarify that I´m not "one of the new people", I was a member at the yahoo rosacea group at the time when Nase was more or less worshiped. I think it´s sad people don´t seem to understand how serious it is to lie about products and treatments. And now the "feel sorry for -factor" comes into play, that somehow it´s not Nase´s own fault cause he might be mentally ill. Some of you should really get a reality check.

[sweden]

I just have to say that also you would rather have a "crazy" Nase than no Nase at all working to find treatments against rosacea. How many physicians has the guy scared off who could have been contributing to the rosacea community? Face it, the guy has done a lot of harm no doubt about it. His breakthrough treatments never end up being anything..how could you have missed that extremely valid point?

[ratherbquiltn]

His breakthrough treatments never end up being anything..how could you have missed that extremely valid point?

I honestly don't think Dr. Nase can be blamed for that. As someone who worked in pharmaceutical research for years I can tell you that's just the way it is. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of promising leads don't make it all the way through the clinical trial process. Doesn't mean they don't look exciting early on.

[prometheus]

prometheus
I put something in the news, research section about dapsone study or clinical trial, its under "Did someone say dapsone" but thats all i have heard.

Thanks for the reply. But I don't see the thread anywhere? Is it old or new?

[redhotoz]

It's here Prometheus:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=3512

Jen

[sweden]

Hey ratherbquiltn! What I meant was that he mentions treatments that often don't do anything at all for rosacea, maybe you´ve forgot about "the biggest treatment secret in rosacea"...that was the anti-malarian drug. It´s not even about exaggeration, since he was just dead wrong. It would be one thing if he said that this or that treatment MIGHT have certain positive effects, but he makes claims instead, before he even has a clue about what the treatment might do. I just meant it in that way.

[lobster222222]

Thanx jen

[natalja]

Ok Maria, since you are stating here so explicitly that Nase sets the record straight with FACTS, I can't help but to respond.

I really want to belief that he is honest and sincere, but the kind of statements he makes on his webpage are just not accurate.

Dr. Nase states on his page:

(http://drnase.com/rosacea_hot_topics.htm#New)
b) I helped develop the first three pass protocol with Dr. Darm and published this information. This was an excellent protocol and we would be upgrading machines once I had moved out to Portland. I DID NOT support the condensed protocol ever and posted against it on the RS board. I also told Dr. Darm about three people who were going to travel great distances and told him not to accept them because it was a waste of the patients' money -- they were treatment resistant. The patient always came first and there was never any deception. I am completely rosacea free now for over 6 years, but I will never forget my horrific battle with rosacea. This is probably why my passsion for rosacea still lingers.


So he says he never supported the condensed protocol and never posted about it, but I remember having an email ‘conversation’ with him about just this on the RRF forum on may the 30th, 2005 (I looked it up of course):



Message #73707

Re: Dr. Darm experience/ questions about different IPL protocols and suggestions Dr.

--- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "nataljaoo" <nataljaoo>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been reading about the Dr. darm procedure and treating
patients a
> few time a week. I wonder who has exprience with this. Dr. nases
> commends on it confuse me a bit. First he responded sceptical to it
>
> ('I always believe in telling it like it is. I like Dr. Darm very
> much, but I think he is overstepping his boundries with three
> treatments in 5 days. There is a moderate chance for increased
side
> effects, but just as important, you probably would get the same
> results with just one treatment because the blood vessels need
time
> to be absorbed by the body. This takes at least 7 to 10 days.
The
> last time we talked I felt as though so may benefit from two
> treatments 7 days apart...... but certainly not every other day.')
>
> but lately he seems to have changed his mind about it
>
> ('It has become very clear now that treatment every one or two
days may
> be better for all patients and not just out of town patients.')
>
> can anyone enlighten me maybe? I'm from Holland and might go to
the US
> for a period of time for treatments, but after my very bad
experience
> in Londen and with my much aggrevated rosacea I'd love to have the
> best treatment of course, like anyone. Maybe Dr. Soldo, to whom I'd
> like to go, can think about this new protocol himself if it is
> actually working in the positive way dr. nase is suggesting. He
also
> wrote about it:
> 'It is not about more money faster (as we are designing several
> insurance letters that we will email directly to your insurance
> company), but it is about knocking down the inflammatory dermal
cells
> that promote angiogenesis. These cells release VEGF and cytokines
to
> tell the skin how many blood vessels to grow and where to send them
> to. You can also get much deeper into the vascular bed because the
> new vessels have not grown back yet and thus cannot absorb or
deflect
> energy meant for the deeper vessels.'
>
> How would this thing be prevented with the more ordinary treatments
> every 2,5 week?
>
> best wishes, natalja



Natalja,

Just a little more follow up on your post. Dr. Darm and I have been
talking for over a year literally 4 to 5 days a week when I could.
We were comparing notes, breaking news and better laser protocols.
Several of the laser specialists who focus on port wine stains did
the ground breaking work on intensive, short time period -- multiple
treatments. They found that they could clear port wine stains that
were unresponsive to 20 to 30 different lasers if they treated the
skin mast cells and parenchymal cells in addition to the blood
vessels because the blood vessels need a "guide" to tell them where
to go and a "stimulus" to tell them how many branches to grow. So,
if you remove the guide and the stimulus, tighten up the dermal
architecture with tight collagen and elastin helixes, they found
they could completely clear these resistant cases.

Dr. Darm and I discussed this a long time ago. Then he started
slowly treating some patients every 10 days, every 5 days, every 3
days and then every other day. He has treated many patients 3 times
in one week with excellent results, several patients 6 times over
two weeks and a couple patients 9 times over 3 weeks. He was very
cautious, but I also felt it was my duty to put up a small yield
sign to wait to see all the patents clearance and remission. So,
the patients called me or emailed me and all of the expressed great
satisfaction. One gentleman made pizzas by those hot pizza ovens
and had to quit his main job because the heat was killing his
rosacea. AFter a serious of 6 treatments in two weeks (with the
major pretreatment flushing protocols and the new heating pad
flushing protocols), his clearance was excellent and his flushing
was reduced dramatically -- he's back by the ovens again tossing and
making pizzas. We want to always push the envelope and not settle
for status quo, but you push in a safe manner. After reviewing some
of the recent laser and skin articles it is clear that skin factors
must be knocked down and turned off for better treatment. You cant
do this if the doctor is waiting three weeks for all the new blood
vessels to grow back and then just treat the vessels again. The
novel ingenious idea was to stop them from forming again in the
first place. It certainly is no cure, but it is a protocol that is
here to stay and one that will continue to be improved upon. If you
ask most other laser physicians I can guarantee you that they will
keel over and warn you to stay away. That is fine. This is a very
natural response to anything so new. The review articles reinforced
every thing that Dr. Darm and I were doing and the results he was
obtaining. The photos and patients speak for themselves.

Regards,

Geoffrey
______________________________

Dr. Geoffrey Nase
Ph.D. Neurovascular Physiologist
http://www.drnase.com
______________________________



I really don’t get it: Nase wants to come across as a sincere guy here, he takes a lot of effort to convince us by what he writes on his page and I think everyone of us WANTS to belief him, but these kind of…well, lies in fact, make it so HARD…
Don’t you agree Maria? Do you see my point here?

Best wishes, Natalja.

[Twickle Purple]

Nase has posted against joining the RRDi! :shock:

How can someone who wants the best for Rosaceans even suggest such a thing? He is fighting to stop rosaceans from helping themselves.

RRDi is a 100% not for profit organization with 15 medical advisors whose only purpose is to find a cure for Rosacea.

Rosacea Research & development Institute
-- finding the cure --

Mission Statement

The Rosacea Research & Development Institute [RRDi] is the first non-profit organization made by rosaceans for rosaceans that will collect donations for rosacea research to be performed by physicians and biomedical research scientists and includes these specific goals:

Goal # 1: To be the first non profit organization for rosacea patient advocacy.

Goal # 2: To have a majority of rosaceans the right to vote who sits on the board of directors.

Goal # 3: To make this the first rosacea specific non profit organization to utilize most of the donations for research and treatment development. This is in stark contrast to non profit organizations that spend 50% to 80% of their donations on paying their staff.

Goal # 4: To allow rosacea sufferers to guide where and how the money is spent on rosacea research and be the first non profit organization to allow rosaceans to be members of the corporation. Until June 7, 2004, the date of incorporation, there had been no other non profit organization that allowed input from rosacea sufferers.

Goal # 5: To attain a level such that the RRDi can directly impact medical articles published on the subject, information disseminated to physicians and rosacea sufferers and apply positive pressure on the medical community that does not take rosacea seriously.

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From this post: http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=4160

Here are the details on the professionals that form the RRDi medical advisory committee:

* The professionals include twelve physicians and three Ph.D.s.
* Three of the physicians also hold Ph.D.s in addition to an M.D.
* Six of the physicians are professors of dermatology at prestigious universities.
* One other physician is a research follow of dermatology at Harvard,
* another physician is a faculty instructor in ophthalmology also at Harvard,
* and another physician is a clinical professor at West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine.
* Three physicians are ophthalmologists (one out of two rosaceans have ocular rosacea).
* One of the Ph.D.s is an instructor in dermatology at Harvard and has her own research lab,
* while still another is an instructor in health and fitness at Colorado State.
* One Ph.D. is a clinical researcher.
* Four out of the the fifteen professionals are females.
* With the addition of Dr. Stratton who is an associate professor of pathology and medicine at Vanderbilt, this brings more balance to the force.
* And one physician on the MAC has rosacea!

You can see the list and all their credentials, photos and background at this url >

http://www.irosacea.org/mac.php

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[sweden]

I´m sorry moderators if I´m out of line now but I just have to say that man is a total wacko...his constant lies are soooo infuriating and those people who still keep backing him up, after all the lies and letting us down again and again, should be ashamed of themselves. :shock:

[Peter]

Hello Natalja and Twinkie - oops sorry Twickle ;)

Great posts!!!

Nat - don't be so polite with this one. You caught him out red handed yet again telling lies. Great spot and well done.

Twickle - It's obvious why he doesn't want people joining the RRDi. It's direct competition to his own dream Forum but the difference is they are for real whilst his is still a dream. They name their professionals - all known highly qualified people in their own right and his dream team is ????????????
Anybody know? Oh and I nearly forgot the RRDi is free membership!

I was going to post my own message on this thread but you beat me to it so rather than overload it and detract from your messages I have started a new one at:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=4166&sid=4346f50892853d7d6e5e980aacc7a2dd

Strangely enough its about more lies.

By the way I am not sure there really is a Maria Cappolla. Not really surprised are we?

Bye

Peter

[Coyne]

those people who still keep backing him up, after all the lies and letting us down again and again, should be ashamed of themselves. :shock:

Hope (however misguided) can be blinding. Anyway, I think we're dealing with the many faces of Nase. I'll apologise profusely of course to Miss Crappola if she turns out to be real.

James

[JimJimson]

I motion that a moderator lock this thread since it clearly isn't headed anywhere productive.

[Peter]

I motion that a moderator lock this thread since it clearly isn't headed anywhere productive.

I disagree as it is a very important thread and it should stay open.

[DukeCity]

Where is Maria??? -- We'd like some answers please!

[Twickle Purple]

I agree Peter. While it may be uncomfortable and difficult to discuss, it is important. So much has happened in the past with Nase. It has negatively affected the history of many Rosacea forums and caused the demise of a non-profit organization that was on the brink of great things for us all. We have to learn from the past -- we need to understand it and we need to accept it-- and, move on. But with awareness of what this fellow is really like and what his motivation is.

I have had negative things said and thought about me because of my vocalness on this subject. I am sorry for that. I am like most people, I prefer harmony and I don't want people mad at me! I risk someones wrath with every post regarding Nase, but I can't be afraid of it. I won't be afraid of him. I care too much about everyone that is here because of what we are all going through. I understand the lure of what this fellow is 'selling', and that he has been, and is, an informative part of the Rosacea community. I just hope those that follow him closely will be cautious, and learn as much as they can from other sources.

Peace and good health.
Twickle Purple

[Millie]

First, thank you admin for correcting my mistake about my email!

TP - I agree with you - WHERE ARE YOU MARIA??????? To have posted such a passionate email with such astounding results - to have spent the last 7 months consulting with Geoffrey Nase - where are you Maria? Please answer our questions! I am afraid that if you do not, Geoffrey Nase will look very very questionable, and very very bad.

Millie

[fut]

I am afraid that if you do not, Geoffrey Nase will look very very questionable, and very very bad.

Millie

A little late for that...

[bentherebefore]

Yes, this thread should be locked.

Peter and Purple and David, etc. have said their piece. They have beaten this dead horse long enough. Everyone should make up their own mind on the subject, and let's get back to talking about treatments!

[Twickle Purple]

I am sorry this upsets you bentherebefore. If you have had your fill with it then do not read the thread. There are folks who are not aware, and are not vocal on the forum.

Some visitors pop in for a few days, or even one time, and so as long as Nase is active and the subject comes up, I will bring it up. It's a pertinent bit of information that must be attached to the PR spin he weaves so that folks can know the whole picture. Just like if I went to a doctor and had a really bad experience, or I took a medicine that made me have a bad reaction, or I bought something from a company that was disreputable.

This is part of the forum, to share and discuss those experiences. Nase represents treatment too and there is a fraudulent history to that as well. With us being the trusting targets of a very focussed marketing campaign to herd us to a particular clinic and doctor.

I do not think I'm beating some poor dead horse, on the contrary as incidents are brought up they need explaining and so it goes. Alot of folks this time round were not aware of the whole story and after becoming aware will now approach Nase with a caution they may not have felt before.

As long as he's around his story is around. It's generally buyer beware but who would have thought to apply that to someone who actively markets himself as an advocate and savior for rosacea sufferers?

[redhotoz]

Perhaps Maria missed the questions I asked on the first page of this thread, so I am posting them again...

Hi Maria

Welcome to the Forum.

It is very encouraging to hear that you are now Rosacea free. After all, that is what we all want.

I am assuming, since my name has been mentioned several times in the link you have provided, you are including me in the "four or five people who have finally been exposed for who they are." I find this up-date very sad really. Honestly, I don't mind if everyone reads the link you provided because I know that the nasty things that have been written about me are not true. I shall take the time to correct the errors another time but for now, I am interested in your Rosacea free progress. That is what we are here for.

How exciting for you that you happened to be at the right place at the right time to be invited to join the study, there and then. What a stroke of luck! I was wondering if you are in contact with the other participants and how they went. It would be interesting to know how many of the 12 participants responded well from this treatment. If so, it would be great if you could direct them to this site to give their own report on how it went for them. Could you let us know which hospital clinic the study was undertaken? Have you received a written summary of findings so far?

Could you let us know what your Rosacea was like before the treatment, please? Like, did you have any p&p's? Was your face normally more oily or dry? Any other co-existing conditions, like Seb Derm? Did you flush every day or infrequently? Do you think you had mild, moderate or severe Rosacea before treatment? Any eye or nose issues? How long did you have Rosacea before treatment?

Thanks

Jen

[Rick]

As one of the early critics of Nase (see David Pascoe's essay at http://rosacea.ii.net/InternetAndDogs.pdf), I agree that the discussion in this thread continues to be relevant to the broad community as long as Nase continues to bombard us with misleading and false information. But, courtesy of the debunkers and the careful documentation on their site, the real picture of Nase is now completely clear. Anyone with remaining doubts need only read the complete nonsense on Nase's own site. His "super forum", complete with a comprehensive database and "live" reports from collaborating researchers, will obviously never happen. So time to move on.

People argue this leaves a huge void in the rosacea research community. I disagree, because there are several sites where on can find very objective summaries of recent rosacea research. These include;

David Pascoe's Rosacea News at http://rosacea.ii.net/news/
Andrew Reid's Rosacea Blog at http://www.rosacea.co.uk/blog/
Andrew Reid's Rosacea Treatment forum at http://www.rosacea.co.uk/

The more strategic issue is how to accelerate research into the underlying mechanisms of rosacea, beyond the dominant current focus on treatment modalities. Brady's RRDi site has some discussion along these lines. I have re-iterated my view that, warts and all, NRS is the only existing critical mass due to its ability to raise funds and the stature of its medical board (I will add that Brady has done an outstanding job recruiting for the RRDi board as well.)

My sense is that there are researchers in the very broad community that are doing work that may be relevant to understanding causes of rosacea. But they are completely removed from the rosacea research community, because there is no identifiable community. In my view, this requires more than simply advertising the availability of modest grant funds, as the NRS does, and then more or less waiting for the already-known rosacea experts to apply for these funds. Indeed, it requires some serious "demand generation" on the part of people more knowledgable than I to identify reseachers in other specialties, bring them up to speed on the sorry state-of-the-art of rosacea research, and get them to submit grant proposals that really push the limits. This is the model used in other disciplines with which I am familiar.

So the real focus now should be on what entity will drive this, and what is the strategy to make it happen?

Rick

[Steve95301]

Excellent post Rick, thank you for that and especially the link to David Pascoe's essay, I hadn't read it before.

In the .pdf, the link to the Munchausen article is broken. The article can now be found here (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0126,russo,25810,1.html), and I believe is worth reproducing in its entirety.

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Cybersickness
Munchausen by Internet Breeds a Generation of Fakers
by Francine Russo
June 27 - July 3, 2001

Over nearly three years, from 1998 to 2000, a woman—let's call her Anna—posted to an online support group for people with mental illness. To the larger circle of readers, she acted mostly as friendly counselor. But to a select few, she e-mailed stories of escalating catastrophes. Her husband and two children had perished in a plane crash, she wrote. As a kid, her father had molested her, and she had suffered multiple personality disorder. Finally, she told her trusted—and trusting—confidants that she had just been diagnosed with leukemia.

Gwen Grabb, a psychotherapy intern and mother of three in Los Angeles, says the group believed Anna because she took on the role of helping others, revealing her own difficulties much later, and to an intimate audience. "She was very bright," recalls Grabb. "She was very supportive and kind. One day, she started telling me about `the crash,' what they found in the black box, how you could hear her daughter screaming. I had known her a year. I believed her."

But as the tales became more elaborate and grotesque, Grabb grew suspicious. Along with another group member—Pam Cohen, a bereavement counselor in the Mid-Atlantic region—she did some research and discovered Anna was making it up. It was a shock to all, but worse than that to Cohen. "It is like an emotional rape," she says. People may have been upset over the online life and fatal cancer of the fictional Kaycee, whose creator admitted last month she'd invented the high school character for expressive purposes. But that was geared to a general audience, however easily suckered. Pretenders like Anna hurt a much more vulnerable group—folks who may be seriously ill and are seeking help.

The Internet was made for such fakers, says Dr. Marc D. Feldman, a psychiatrist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham and an expert on Munchausen syndrome and factitious disorder. People like these, he explains, suffer from a form of Munchausen, a condition in which they either feign illness or victimization, or actually induce illness or injury in order to gain sympathy and become the center of attention. With another variation, Munchausen by proxy, caretakers seek these rewards by making their charges sick. Cyberspace has added a new twist—one Feldman labels Munchausen by Internet.

To credibly represent themselves as ill—often with obscure and dramatic maladies—Munchausen sufferers often study medical literature, and even go so far as to poison themselves to simulate particular symptoms. "On the Internet," Feldman explains, "it's very easy to fake. All you have to do is click and you go to another disease site. You can become an expert on anything in 30 minutes by visiting Google." By the time Feldman published his article "Munchausen by Internet" in the Southern Medical Journal in July of last year, he'd already studied over 20 cases of cyberMunch. "The incidence is increasing rapidly," he reports.

Feldman runs his own site, and provides a link to another started this year by Cohen, Victims of Factitious Liars). Cohen says the people who congregate at her site feel betrayed, but they understand the fakers are seriously troubled.

The irony in these Munchausen cases is that those pretending to be ill really are sick, but they rarely go to the right kind of doctor. When confronted on the Web, they often disappear. In person, they may show some contrition even though they resist treatment. One of Dr. Feldman's first Munchausen patients was a profoundly depressed young woman who was feigning terminal breast cancer. He hospitalized her and successfully treated her with psychotherapy and drugs. "We tell them we'll give them treatment for their emotional illness," Feldman explains, "that they don't need to be ill to see a doctor anymore."

Getting them proper treatment could prevent a lot of harm. Off-line, by some estimates, people with Munchausen and similar disorders consume as much as $20 billion annually in unnecessary medical procedures. Those taken in by online Munchausen sufferers are often homebound. For them, the Internet is a lifeline to the outside world. "To discover that their love and nurturing have been misdirected is like being taunted with their own illness," Feldman says. "It's devastating."

Diane Hamilton, a librarian in Cape May, New Jersey, and a migraine sufferer, brought one such case to Dr. Feldman's attention. From 1998 to 1999, a visitor posted to a long-standing migraine support group on Usenet. He claimed to be a 15-year-old medical student. Not only did he have migraines, he said, but he also had a seizure disorder and hemophilia.

At first he won great love and approval from the group. Then his stories become more and more incredible. His mother was deaf and his father was alcoholic and abusive. He had to skateboard three miles a day to get the bus to medical school, and he had a nightclub job as a drummer. When group members began to question his stories more and more aggressively, his "mother" signed on to say how their doubt might plunge the boy into another episode of depression. Finally, as he was met with increasing skepticism, both the "teen" and his "mother" disappeared from the site, having victimized a vulnerable group..

"Some of them had such bad migraines they had to be on Social Security disability," says Hamilton. "Others had them from head traumas from accidents. Many had been on drugs for years with no relief."

After their encounter with the fake poster, the group never recovered. It split into factions of believers and doubters, its spirit of trust and caring broken.

An even more bizarre case involved the 1997 duping of a Web-based fan club for the musical Rent. Many of the members had met while waiting on line for tickets in New York, and for them the club became a support network. Catherine Skidmore, a 26-year-old technology consultant in New York, was one of those taken in a student claiming to suffer from a fatal liver and nerve disease.

"She showed up once with an IV shunt taped in her arm," Skidmore recalled. "And she'd go to the cast members and try to get sympathy." In this way, the woman was able to meet and have dinner with Rent stars Anthony Rapp and Gwen Stewart. When she returned to Chicago, the group started getting e-mail from a "friend" of the woman's. The messages were full of medical jargon and day-by-day accounts of the "sick" person's condition as she slipped into a coma. "I had lost a friend who didn't tell me she was dying," says Skidmore. "So I wrote to her and said I didn't want her to be alone."

Skidmore and others in the group prayed, sent messages, and bought tickets to fly to Chicago. But whenever they were about to leave, the friend, who refused to give the name of the hospital, would write that Rachel had miraculously recovered.

Eventually, these Lazarus-like revivals aroused suspicion. Group members uncovered the hoax by calling all the hospitals in Chicago. Rapp's boyfriend, Josh Safran, was one of the fraud detectors. "I can't believe the lengths she went to. Her e-mails were very medically proficient. And everybody's lives were so messed up. It was total drama." Although Safran was skeptical early on, he hesitated to mention his doubts. "If she turned out to be sick after this, we were horrible people."

The people who perpetrate these hoaxes don't usually consider the ways they're harming others. One former Munchausen patient, a 40-year-old computer technician on the West Coast, used to hurt herself and pretend she'd been the victim of an attack or accident. "I called them 'scenarios,'" she explains. "When I'd do something to attract the paramedics and police, I got an adrenaline rush. I believe I got addicted to it. At the time, it didn't occur to me I was hurting anyone but myself."

For those who do not want to be victimized by such folks, however sick they may or may not be, Dr. Feldman has developed a series of cues for online detection. Some warning signs are posts that copy textbook material or other online sites verbatim, and a series of dramatic declines followed by miraculous recoveries. Be suspicious when the person makes fantastic claims, he says, resists telephone contact, or complains that the group is not supportive enough. Be very suspicious if a "friend" or family member posts for the sick person—displaying the same writing style and spelling errors.

The treatment for the support-group fakers is psychotherapy. The treatment for their victims is...another support group. Victims of Factitious Liars already has 42 members who post regularly about their own victimization and brainstorm about how to get publicity and funding to treat Munchausen. Cohen and Grabb are hoping to make a documentary on the Munchausen phenomenon and have recently received a substantial contribution from an individual donor.

Paradoxically, one of the issues Cohen and Grabb must confront is that a member on their own site could be lying. "Look for inconsistencies in the story over time," Cohen advises her group. "If you become suspicious, e-mail me and let me know. For the most part, we have to take what people say at face value. But let's all be aware that we could get used and get emotionally attached to someone who is an online liar."

[JimJimson]

Guys, sorry but by continuing the masturbatory practice of getting your two cents in, you're only perpetuating and increasing the damage done to the community. There are a lot of new users around here that don't give a damn about all this nonsense, and there are probably even more old users that have had enough of it. Every time the issue resurfaces, it's you that keep it at the top of the page for weeks to come.

I'm not suggesting that when a problem rolls around, you sweep it under the carpet, but good Lord, there's a limit.

Furthering this debate can only lead the community in one direction, and it's not the one in which we want to be headed.

Although, kudos to those who posted redirects to useful sites.

[Twickle Purple]

Guys, sorry but by continuing the masturbatory practice of getting your two cents in.

You have offered your two cents on more than one occassion as well. So this must also apply?

I do not recall anyone here being offensive to others with differing opinions.

Perhaps you can practice a bit of civility in your next post on this topic.

[Quench]

Guys, sorry but by continuing the masturbatory practice of getting your two cents in

Whatever rocks your boat Jim. :roll:

[JimJimson]

It's pretty clear you missed my point. There are several people here who can't let this Nase debacle just die, and that isn't just limited to people attacking him. It hurts the forum and it hurts the community. Sadly, the mod team seems content to sit on their hands and let this thing play itself out rather than take action.

Hell, if I was the admin, I'd make all further use of the word "Nase" a bannable/suspendable offense on the forum, and that'd settle the issue right there, but far be it from me to tell you guys how to do your job.

Rather than deliberately misinterpreting the word "masturbatory," you could be doing something more productive, like say, acknowledging that most all of us are in agreement on the Nase issue and just letting it die. And I could be doing something more productive like say, leaving.

But before I go, I would like to note that there are a great number of decent people on this forum, and even several of the people still wrapped up in the Nase episode are pretty solid folks. My only advice is let it go and return this forum to its original intent: helping people find help. And I hope all of you find help.

[Peter]

Excellent post Rick, thank you for that and especially the link to David Pascoe's essay, I hadn't read it before.

In the .pdf, the link to the Munchausen article is broken. The article can now be found here (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0126,russo,25810,1.html), and I believe is worth reproducing in its entirety.

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Cybersickness
Munchausen by Internet Breeds a Generation of Fakers
by Francine Russo
June 27 - July 3, 2001



Hello Steve

Thanks for posting up the Cyber Munchausen's article. I have seen it before plus others which were similar but it still amazes me every time I read it. It still stuns doesn't it? And to think how we were all deceived.

As you have now put this up then I feel I should now announce on the Forum that I recently learned that a writer is hard at work on a book about the Rosacea Wars from the angle of what happened when two little understood medical conditions collided, which in this case is Rosacea and Munchausen's by internet. The author has apparently been following the events on the boards since the whole sorry business started so I would imagine by now the manuscript must be well advanced.

As you probably know Nase always wanted to be the Poster Boy for Rosacea but unfortunately for him it now looks like he is going to finish up being the Poster Boy for Munchausen's.

I am sure the author must be eagerly taking screenshots of the rabid abuse currently appearing on Nase's web site (That man is his own worst enemy) and given what has happened over the last year at least there can be no shortage of juicy material especially on the various RLT threads. Don't forget as well as this Forum there is also the ESFB and earlier RSG posts all sitting safely in the archives. Currently there is all this rubbish about the heroic Dr Nase having four different biotech companies and "countless physicians" all sitting enraptured at his feet, taking notes of every word he says when he flies in each month to check on his patients. Mmmmmm do you think he takes a plane or uses his own special wings?

I just want to know who will play Nase if they decide to bring out a film version of the book? Hey don't look at me - I'm too slim!!!

Before anybody asks I have no idea who the author is but to use one of Nase's phrases - They are top notch and apparently a real pro at the cutting edge in this particular specialised area. My source of the information has given me no timescale at the moment other than it was fairly well advanced and that currently is all I know. If anything else crops up that I am allowed to post then I will share it with everybody.

Interesting times eh?

Thanks

Peter

P.S Many thanks to all those who have sent supportive e mails recently. Apologise if I miss replying to anyone but it's been a job to keep up.

[Twickle Purple]

...deliberately misinterpreting the word "masturbatory," ...


Just in case there is doubt that the term is offensive in the context which you delivered it, I will post a complete description of the word from this source (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=masturbatory&x=35&y=19):
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4 results for: masturbatory

mas‧tur‧ba‧tion  /ˌmæstərˈbeɪʃən/
Pronunciation[mas-ter-bey-shuhn]
–noun
1. the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals, esp. to orgasm; sexual self-gratification.
2. the stimulation, by manual or other means exclusive of coitus, of another's genitals, esp. to orgasm.
[Origin: 1760–70; masturbate + -ion]

—Related forms
mas‧tur‧ba‧tion‧al, adjective
mas‧tur‧ba‧to‧ry /ˈmæstərbəˌtɔri, -ˌtoʊri/
Pronunciation[mas-ter-buh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, adjective
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
mas·tur·ba·tion (mstr-bshn) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "masturbatory" [P]
n.

Excitation of one's own or another's genital organs, usually to orgasm, by manual contact or means other than sexual intercourse.

mastur·bator n.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
mas·tur·ba·to·ry (mstr-b-t�r, -tr) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "masturbatory" [P]
adj.

1. Of or relating to masturbation.
2. Excessively self-indulgent or self-involved: “ [The play's] star... paces around his cell, smoking and snarling in a masturbatory rant” (Sam Whiting).

Main Entry: mas·tur·ba·to·ry
Pronunciation: 'mas-t&r-b&-"tOr-E, -"tor-
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or associated with masturbation <masturbatory>
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And I could be doing something more productive like say, leaving.


Sorry that this causes your departure. I've no doubt you will be missed. And, I mean that sincerely.

Hope you'll reconsider in the future.

Twickle Purple

[GJ]

Alas, I fear a young man of Jim's integrity and noble character will find it next to impossible to return.

Has it come to this! For shame.

[Rick]

I understand where JimJemson is coming from (ignoring his choice of phrasing ...)

But I do not think this discussion is either harmful or distracting from the community. First, the arguments are largely well made and not overly personal (well, almost ...). Second, lets face it, nut and bolts rosacea talk can be kind of boring after awhile -- why not allow the forum to walk both sides of the fence: pure rosacea discussion so we can learn, and pure soap opera so we can simply enjoy some entertainment.

Besides, in my entire life, it has been only in this context that I have been called a "Wanker" (no definitions here, please). Its good fun. I may prefer Public Television, but that doesn't mean I can't watch Entertainment Tonight (secretly) for a little recreation ...

Rick

[cheesy]

Just wanted to say, JimJimsons use of the phrase masturbatory stimulation is not offensive given its clever use.

Secondly I think that Peter should clarify his position as he has done to me with regards his Dr crouch comments

[GJ]

As my old nan used to say, there are few things more entertaining than getting together with few buddies, pitching up and the local insane asylum and giving one of the nutcases a good thrashing.

[mj2006]

From Peter's post..."As you have now put this up then I feel I should now announce on the Forum that I recently learned that a writer is hard at work on a book about the Rosacea Wars from the angle of what happened when two little understood medical conditions collided, which in this case is Rosacea and Munchausen's by internet. The author has apparently been following the events on the boards since the whole sorry business started so I would imagine by now the manuscript must be well advanced.

As you probably know Nase always wanted to be the Poster Boy for Rosacea but unfortunately for him it now looks like he is going to finish up being the Poster Boy for Munchausen's.

I am sure the author must be eagerly taking screenshots of the rabid abuse currently appearing on Nase's web site (That man is his own worst enemy) and given what has happened over the last year at least there can be no shortage of juicy material especially on the various RLT threads. Don't forget as well as this Forum there is also the ESFB and earlier RSG posts all sitting safely in the archives. Currently there is all this rubbish about the heroic Dr Nase having four different biotech companies and "countless physicians" all sitting enraptured at his feet, taking notes of every word he says when he flies in each month to check on his patients. Mmmmmm do you think he takes a plane or uses his own special wings?

I just want to know who will play Nase if they decide to bring out a film version of the book? Hey don't look at me - I'm too slim!!!"

Are you for real? Who in their right mind would buy a book relating to this drama? And even more pathetic who would waste so much time to write a book like that? From my count there's only about 5 people who care, everyone else is more concerned about finding relief for their condition...

[Peter]

Are you for real? Who in their right mind would buy a book relating to this drama? And even more pathetic who would waste so much time to write a book like that? From my count there's only about 5 people who care, everyone else is more concerned about finding relief for their condition...

Hello

I assume you are addressing me? Try using the quote tab in the right hand corner of the screen when replying if you want to display parts or the whole message of the previous author as a quote. It makes it clearer to see who has said what and what the reply is.

Yes I am for real and so is the book. Not everybody shares your view and I think many people out there in the rosacea world and those aware of Munchausen’s will be keen to read it.

You have been around a while and therefore should be aware of the history of events here and maybe if you had been subject to the same abuse, lies and ruthless intimidation the rest of us have then you might feel differently.

Anyway despite what you might think the people you refer to are also still dedicated to helping others who like themselves suffer from rosacea.

Thanks

Peter

[Millie]

Sooooooo...... what ever happened to the person who started this thread? Maria Cappolla? I will guess, since she did not respond to any of the questions that were posed in response to her post, that "she" is in fact Geoffrey Nase.

Case closed?

[Bob Bear]

As my old nan used to say, there are few things more entertaining than getting together with few buddies, pitching up and the local insane asylum and giving one of the nutcases a good thrashing.

Hahaha :lol:

BB

[Peter]

Sooooooo...... what ever happened to the person who started this thread? Maria Cappolla? I will guess, since she did not respond to any of the questions that were posed in response to her post, that "she" is in fact Geoffrey Nase.

Case closed?

Maria Who?

Come on Millie it was all those horrible nasty people on this Forum that frightened her off by asking those horrible awkward questions. That's what Nase said and he is always right of course - period.

Perhaps one of those other lucky people like Maria or one of the countless physicians on the trial will come forward? Stranger things have happened - haven't they?

Peter

[Millie]

I "googled" the name "Maria Cappolla" and had no matches. This person does not exist.

[GJ]

On which basis nor does my mum! This leaves me in a fairly tenuous situation!

[Peter]

On which basis nor does my mum! This leaves me in a fairly tenuous situation!

Oh no don't tell me your mum is the famous Maria Capolla! That's going to take some explaining.

[GJ]

Maria has rosacea. The poor creature has suffered for 25 years or so.
My mum doesn't have rosacea, but still, she has suffered for 30 yrs and seven months or so.

[Peter]

Maria has rosacea. The poor creature has suffered for 25 years or so.
My mum doesn't have rosacea, but still, she has suffered for 30 yrs and seven months or so.

Maria who?

Yes but I thought the good news was that she was cured now? You know a bit of the magic wand, bit of the serious glean in his eye plus a good dollop of Thai food and hey presto - gone!

I assume that's your age and not your Mums by the way?

[GJ]

Maria Cappolla.

Keep up please.

[Peter]

Joke

The number the other day was 99.99999 Shame he didn't get the single.

[DukeCity]

I'd still like to know if this has ANY TRUTH to it, are there trials being conducted, are these results being achieved? Why no mention of his involvement in the trials on his website?? - Where are the people taking part in this???

[Twickle Purple]

I'd still like to know if this has ANY TRUTH to it, are there trials being conducted, are these results being achieved? Why no mention of his involvement in the trials on his website?? - Where are the people taking part in this???

Warren's got a link at the top of the Forum page "Further reading and interesting links" (http://rosaceagroup.org/wiki/Further_reading_and_interesting_links)

"Search engine that covers over 88,000 clinical trials and was created by the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers and Associations along with IBM."

If it exists, this would be the place to find it.

[Rick]

I suppose someone should note that the debunk site http://www.debunkingnase.org/ has been updated today to reflect the happenings of the past several weeks.

Rick

[Steve95301]

Thanks Rick, I don't check that site regularly and would never have seen the updates otherwise.

[Twickle Purple]

Always an entertaining read.

[Millie]

Well, the whole "update" on geoffrey nase's site concerning Maria Cappola, the FACTS, and the g-protiens was erased. Gone. No more. Like it didn't even exist. I am thinking that he would like all of us to forget that it existed.

[Twickle Purple]

:lol: Yes, but now we have 'caution urged for red light therapy... coming soon'

Cue 'Jaws' music: dudoo dudoo dudoo dududududu... aaahhhhhh. (insert scream).

He must be looking REAL HARD to find something bad on that. :^o

Looks like we've got a promise of more entertainment.

[Peter]

Hello Millie & TP

You shouldn’t sound so surprised that Nase has amended his site, including deleting everything he was caught out on. Some of us can remember not so long ago when he called himself “The King” of this Forum and deleted and changed his and other’s posts to suit his own needs. Well, we all know why the Maria Capolla post suddenly appeared.

On Monday Nase sent me yet another ridiculous e mail against RLT and I have dumped it in the trash can as I cannot be bothered to waste any further time with this man. Apologies for mentioning this again but the only reason he is against this form of treatment is because of his anger towards me for revealing that he hadn't been awarded any of the great honours he claimed the Indiana medical licensing authorities had heaped upon him last year. It is nothing more than attempted revenge.

Time to move on and ignore this person.

Thanks

Peter

[Twickle Purple]

It is a predictable action on his part, since Dr. Crouch's rebuttal.

The oddest thing is that we have nothing to lose in this. How can he not see that?

For me, I just post my experience and corroborate with published studies which support my findings. That's the thing about this, the more you study it the more you realize how very impactful it could be. It's remarkable.

Anyway, we are not selling anything here, we just support, encourage and share experience. We are all on the same team, fighting the same fight. Rosacea is such an unpredictable and distressing condition!

It would be best for Nase to move on. He only loses more credibility with his carrying on the grudges. I hope to see his energy put to good use again and leave all the bad behind.

[Millie]

Peter - could you post that email? Might put this whole thing to rest - would validate this thread, and much confusion for newbies (and oldies too!)

[Steve95301]

Peter - could you post that email? Might put this whole thing to rest - would validate this thread, and much confusion for newbies (and oldies too!)

I second that; I've always wanted more detail of his objections to RLT.

[Twickle Purple]

I second that; I've always wanted more detail of [Nase's] objections to RLT.

From Nase's recent post that was then wasn't there:

3. Warren's Rosacea Group has several Red Light Therapy Salesman who make commision off of referrals and "home made devices". This is a fact that is denied vehemently by several people. The main salesman, Peter Waters has been involved for almost 3 years. Fact. He never had Rosacea. Fact. Feel free to check out his photos on the RS group and his description. He details this. He flushed to heat (like everyone else in this world does). Our discussions during sane times also suggested his skin condition was mostly acne. Period. He was NEVER diagnosed with Rosacea as per his own admission. But, where else is he going to sell a red light device. He cant sell the blue light as the market is already saturated for acne, but rosacea and red light therapy is open game to someone who never even had clinical rosacea.

I called 8 out of about 30 red light Internet sales sites. 8 out of 8 were accepting people to sell these systems for 10% to 15% commision. Fact. Red light therapy is not approved for use on rosacea sufferers and DOES have the ability to burn skin (as Dr. Crouch found out when he had to treat two red light therapy burn patients who came to me first). Red light therapy was designed for wound healing in NASA and Diabetics. It does everything theoretically that is bad for rosacea (this will be elaborated on the "Red Light Link" with references). It increases:

1. Blood flow by up 300% to 4,300%
2. Number of blood vessels in skin dramatically and permanently increases
3. VEGF
4. Angiogenesis
5. Fibroplasia -- Fibrosis
6. Neutrophil recruitment
7. Basement membrane thickness
8. Acetylcholine release -- potent dilator
9. Nitric Oxide release -- potent dilator
10. CGRP -- potent dilator

For each person that has tried Red Light Therapy or LED Therapy and states, "It might be helping some" ................................. there are double the number who have returned the machines due to increased flushing, burning sensations and first degree burns (no blisters) and second degree burns (with blisters) with the higher energy LED systems now available and the homemade versions. You cannot change the quantity of light bulbs or LEDs without increasing the thermal energy. This is not to be fooled around with -- Physicists and Physicians are the only ones qualified to do this.

Two of the biggest proponents of red light therapy (and I will just use their user names), IowaDavid and Banshee, have been using these systems for quite some time. We actually asked them to be on the Rosacea Research foundation and they both replied, "That they would love to, but were nearly disabled by rosacea and could not help". Direct quotes from emails to the entire Board of Directors. Obviously Red Light Therapy was not the answer and the multiple topical and oral prescriptions they are both taking confound any effect they say they might have.

I won't bother to rebut. Folks just need to do the research and reading (on both Nase and RLT) for themselves and make up their own minds.

[Peter]

Peter - could you post that email? Might put this whole thing to rest - would validate this thread, and much confusion for newbies (and oldies too!)

Hello Millie

In my opinion putting his e mail up on here will do nothing for this thread and I cannot see what can be gained other than just re-confirmimg what we already know about his state of mind and obvious intentions.

What I was sent is just the same old attacks about RLT and the same threats. He is obsessed with his belief that I work for Dermalux and that I am responsible for breaking the law by altering lamps so that they damage people’s skin and giving out false medical advice. According to Nase, countless physicians are reporting this to the UK medical authorities and I am under investigation. He says I should be very worried. As if! :)

It sounds very similar to his message about this Forum being under investigation and his threat to have it shut down. Need I go any further?

His message stays in my outlook trash folder for now. together with all the other nonsense he and some of his cronies have sent me over the last year. Unfortunately as we all know from our experiences in life there is always one idiot who wants to try and spoil it for everybody else.

As I have said on this thread and after the Peter Crouch post which finally resolved the RLT matter – it is time to move on.

Thanks

Peter

[Steve95301]

I second that; I've always wanted more detail of his objections to RLT.

To clarify, I'm well aware of the bulleted list of negative RLT effects; what I meant was that I'd like clarification regarding that list.

For example, Nase correctly states that RLT increases NO (bad) but he fails to mention that it also increases SOD (good). Do these effects cancel each other out? I don't know, I'm not a microvascular physiologist.

Also, do "increased cellular activity" and "faster wound healing" imply angiogenesis? It would seem that way, but we need more data in this area, especially since some forum members have mentioned using RLT after an IPL txt.

[Twickle Purple]

I'm well aware of the bulleted list of negative RLT effects; what I meant was that I'd like clarification regarding that list.

It is not a bulleted list of negative RLT effects -- it is Nase's list showing everything that is theoretically bad for rosacea .

It does everything theoretically that is bad for rosacea

The majority of users here on the forum speak clearly of their positive experiences of RLT.

Due to his personal grievance, Nase will work very hard to validate his claims. This will prove all the more difficult given Dr. Crouch's recent post relaying a story quite different to what Nase has asserted. I suspect he is working dilligently on a new angle of approach.

[Steve95301]

Please restore my previous post to its original, unedited state. My post broke no forum rules.

[Twickle Purple]

Steve,

I have sent you a note. I was distracted and inadvertently hit edit instead of quote, I am new and the buttons are side-by-side. It was an honest and unintentional error. I thought I had hit the back key enough so that your message was whole, but it appears I had not. My sincere apologies, there was no offense intended. Let me know what is editted and it will be returned in its intended form immediately.

TP

[Millie]

Now Geoffrey nase has done yet another about-face. He has removed all of the blunder about the debunking crew - Laura, Soldo, etc..... but has chosen to leave the bordering-on-slander about the RRF bunch. Humorously, he added an update on 10/13 that announces a "recent" positive review of his book. Apparently, not very "recent," because the book review was done in 2003.

[dynoMITE]

I think you're in love Millie :D

The only time I see you post is about Dr. Nase.

Millie and Geoffrey sitting in a tree... :D

[Millie]

Crazy love - puppy love - call it what you want! Ha ha! No malice here - this whole saga is just so interesting in a creepy way - must be my twisted sense of humor. That munchausens-by-internet thing is so captivating. (Please feel free to correct my spelling!) This is just like watching a case study unfold! I mean, he erased almost everything!

Back to Geoffrey nases book - three reviews on Amazon - one by Dr. Peter Crouch, one by Jonathan Gamache (anyone remember him?), and the last by a friendly bloke. There have been rumors that he was writing a sequel - any truth to that?

[dynoMITE]

Crazy love - puppy love - call it what you want! Ha ha! No malice here - this whole saga is just so interesting in a creepy way - must be my twisted sense of humor. That munchausens-by-internet thing is so captivating. (Please feel free to correct my spelling!) This is just like watching a case study unfold! I mean, he erased almost everything!

Back to Geoffrey nases book - three reviews on Amazon - one by Dr. Peter Crouch, one by Jonathan Gamache (anyone remember him?), and the last by a friendly bloke. There have been rumors that he was writing a sequel - any truth to that?

Wow. At first I was joking, but now I really do think you're obsessed. :roll:

[Millie]

Hey there dynomite - thanks for the well wishes! :lol: By the way, what exactly is a "Socket Puppet Account?" The last person I knew who signed his name in this manner was on the infamous ESFBchannell.

[Peter]

Hey Millie

Well did you know DY-NO-MITE has become HERE-NO-MORE

Perhaps he has done us a favour and detonated himself somewhere.

Peter

[Millie]

Self-destructing is never a good thing!!

[Rick]

Well, for those of you who doubted the existence of the magic "wand", there are actual pictures of it at http://www.drnase.com/rosacea_hot_topics.htm#neuro

Extra credit to anyone who can locate the site where he found these nice images ...

Another day, another institute.

Rick

[Millie]

I liked the part in the "Institute update" where he describes the "wing" that is being built, with special rooms designated for the treatment of each separate trigger!

Any clues as to who the Physician is who is partnering in the institute?

This saga just gets better and better!

[Munch Ausen]

Dr. Nase will succeed this time. Why wouldn't he ? Just look at his accomplishments:

- Destroyed Rosacea Research Foundation
- Banned from Yahoo Rosacea Support
- Banned from ESFB Channel Forum
- Banned from Rosacea Forum
- Lost Debunker Court Case 1
- Lost Debunker Court Case 2
- Lost Dr. Darm Court Case
- Failed to deliver a Quartlery Report. Maybe its a Quarter Century Report.
- Failed to launch his own private forum.
- Failed to deliver his 2nd book.
- Attacked numerous people from the rosacea community because they had enough of his lies and dictatorship and decided to speak out against him.

Anyways. I'm sure i've missed some.

:roll:

Maybe Maria Cappolla will be one of his nurses at this new institute?

[Peter]

Hello Rick

Just pretend you are able to follow Nase’s private jet as he leaves for work in the morning then it will perhaps park up next to the Medical Spa in Indianapolis. You know the one near the Thai Takeaway. Perhaps Maria attends this Spa as well?

You may remember him hyping up some position he reckoned he had been offered but when you cut through all the BS it sounds like a role pitched in between an aesthetician and a laser technician which is hardly directorship material.

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?p=15442

Maybe he is short of funds and heaven forbid has had to revert to getting a real job like the rest of us, instead of sitting at his computer all day spouting out endless mumbo jumbo. Can we be that lucky?

Saw the magic wand via that link you put up. Looks more like the unit I use to kill the greenfly on my roses and I must check in the shed to see if it is still there.

Seriously I checked his site after hearing about this latest Institute rubbish and how can any sane person be capable of writing such nonsense? My worry is that there are some poor rosacea sufferers who still think he can be the answer and that disturbs me greatly. If he has a conscious he should be greatly ashamed but we know that never happens.

Thanks

Peter

[Quench]

Hey! I like this idea of a dedicated Institute - kind of like a Disneyland for Rosaceans with separate, themed areas. There will be Flushing Land, P&P Land, Erythema Land... I wonder if there will be height restrictions on the rides?

[coldbliss]

This is good popcorn material. You know like watching a terribly made B-movie with awful characters and a poorly developed plot.

Dr. Nase versus his Debunkers.

Lies versus Lies. Agendas vs. Agendas.

Laser vs. Red Light Therapy? Oooooh...what will win????

Who really gives a flying f'ing shit because I think BOTH so-called treatments are over-hyped with agendas.

I am so sick of this crap.

[Munch Ausen]

Dr. Nase versus his Debunkers.

Still here? What you haven't realized is that Nase debunked himself, not anyone else.

[Twickle Purple]

I am so sick of this crap.

I agree, you seem unwell. You should go see a doctor.

[Twickle Purple]

I'd like to point out to anyone reading this thread that any threads regarding Nase are jumpy, and due to some irrate RLT bashers those threads can go sideways too.

99.9% of the threads and posts on this site are helpful, caring and informative.

Consider any thread regarding Nase's going's on as entertainment only. He's a fellow who tried to muscle in and control us and gloriously self-imploded in the process.

[Millie]

Ahhhhh - the debunkers. They are quiet - have done nothing more than update their website - with facts - weeks ago.

On the other hand, Geoffrey Nase posts on this forum AS A WOMAN, with a made-up story filled with grandiose lies, viciously attacks people when they challenge his obvious fantasy claims, and then attempts to present himself on this forum (IN THE SAME THREAD THAT HE STARTED WITH HIS FANTASY PERSON "MARIA CAPPOLLA!") as some kind of a VICTIM. In no way is Geoffrey Nase a victim. Remember, he started this thread!

What an incredible manipulation.

I agree with Munchausen - Geoffrey Nase has debunked himself!
100% FACT!

[Millie]

Bored (obviously!).... and just re-read the post that started this incredible thread.

It really is a must read - especially keeping in mind all that has happened since "Maria" re-introduced himself to us!

Now...do we think that JonathanGamache wrote that post, or Geoffrey Nase, or ??????

Let's have at it - a POLL! Who do YOU think wrote the Maria Crappolla post?

I vote for Geoffrey Nase.

Join in the fun!

[Steve95301]

Bored (obviously!)....

Let's have at it - a POLL! Who do YOU think wrote the Maria Crappolla post?

I vote for Geoffrey Nase.

Join in the fun!

I'm the same way, that's the only reason I join in these Nase threads, out of boredom. It's something to do.

Anyway, for the reasons I stated earlier in the thread, I also think it's Nase. Especially the "ee" instead of "ea" spelling error. I don't see too many people make that mistake.

[Twickle Purple]

Does this now mean that I shouldn't say that redbegone = MariaCappolla?

ROTFLMAO!!!

That is too rich. So I ask: How many are surprised at this?

[DukeCity]

Whatever happened with the G-protein modifier applied with wand???

[Quench]

Whatever happened with the G-protein modifier applied with wand???

JK Rowling sued for breach of copyright.

[Peter]

JK Rowling sued for breach of copyright.

LOL

Perhaps it was the same magic wand that transformed Nase temporarily into Maria Cappolla and then back again? Or the same magic wand that puts your rosacea into (supposed) remission and at the same time makes you appear at least 10 years younger?

Drum roll and Abracadabra it’s all disappeared :lol:

[Munch Ausen]

The only thing that wack job ever did was collaborate a bunch of rosacea into a book. He has failed at absolutely everything else. He definitely needs a wand.

This seems scary:

(1) American Academy of Dermatology Medical Publication & Presentation
of Rosacea Institute Advanced Treatment at AAD '07 National Meeting. Dr.
Nielson and I have been given the honor of publishing a Medical Article for
the AAD about the Rosacea Institute and our Advanced Treatment Protocols.
This will also be presented to Dermatologists and Laser Specialists at the
AAD '07 National Meeting in New York (Aug. 1 - 5).

[Peter]

It’s seems extremely unlikely to me that they have been “given the honour” to publish anything. More probable is that they see a way of trying to make more money exploiting others and are just trying to advertise their “so called cutting edge technology” be it magic wands, mushrooms or coral.

Anyway can you see Nase attending a public function in New York? Again unlikely but we have the dates now, so I’ll I ask one of my American friends to go along with their camera and get a few shots of him, so we can see how he shapes up compared to his recent remission beach pictures on his site. I will look forward to seeing those pictures come August because they will be real and not faked.

[Melissa W]

Darn! I would love to go and check this out but unfortunately my husband's brother and his wife ( :x ) will be visiting from Chicago that week. I really hope someone from this group can attend.

[DukeCity]

But if Maria Crapolla had 6-9 months of TOTAL REMISSION from one 15-minute treatment, face as white as a sheet, (she was so happy, she cried) even when subjected to all major triggers... Then why waste time working on 2 topicals that must be applied every day???? -- The San Antonio Rosacea Clinic should be concentrating on using this G-protein modifier w/magic wand application, -- Why haven't we heard more about this seemingly miracle treatment, what gives?????

[Melissa W]

But if Maria Crapolla had 6-9 months of TOTAL REMISSION from one 15-minute treatment, face as white as a sheet, (she was so happy, she cried) even when subjected to all major triggers... Then why waste time working on 2 topicals that must be applied every day???? -- The San Antonio Rosacea Clinic should be concentrating on using this G-protein modifier w/magic wand application, -- Why haven't we heard more about this seemingly miracle treatment, what gives?????


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[sweden]

I agree that it would be really fun to see that man in person, and pretend that I didnt know what a psychopath he is!

[cmcgeorge]

Okay, I am new to the forum and am so glad to have found such knowledge people who share my difficulties. I have severe occular rosacea with mild facial redness and flushing. I have tried many different types of treatment and eventually resorted to the Rosacea Institute of Texas. I am very interested in reading everyone's thoughts and experiences on Dr. Nase and the Institute. I would also share my experiences with the clinic. I have not met Dr. Nase although I have visited with him on the phone. I have completed two laser treatments at the Institute and Dr. Neilson recommends about 4 more. I have not been able to complete the series because of the cost and distance from my home. Dr. Neilson is a thoracic surgeon and he performs the laser treatments in his office in San Antonio. He is very knowledgable and personable. The treatments have helped the redness on my nose and the flushing. They have not helped the occular symptoms I suffer with.

I am interested in what vitamin and herbal supplements anyone with occular symptoms have used with success.

I am new to the forum and would appreciate any help in the best way to use and access information posted here. Thanks!

[DukeCity]

What did Dr. Nase and Dr. Nielsen say about your occular problem when you consulted with them??

[cmcgeorge]

Well, they believe that the multipass laser treatment aimed at the major vessels in the corner of my nose would help with the occular problem. They also gave me two eye drops. I use Tobradex twice daily for one week, then Restasis drops twice daily for three weeks. The Tobradex helped greatly with the red margins and inflammation. The symptoms return when I use the Restasis. To date, I have no treatment for the occular symptoms that successfully works all the time. Flare-ups continue to happen.

[Twickle Purple]

Hi cmcgeorge,

Did you get those vessels zapped?

Have you tried Doxycycline? It helped me a lot.
Very discouraging about the Restasis, I thought it would be thing ... we can't get it in Canada.

Cheers,
TP

[Melissa W]

Hi cmcgeorge,

I just posted this in another section but it bears repeating.
Restasis does not work for everyone BUT if it does, it takes a long time before it begins to work. It will take at least 4-6 weeks before you can accurately assess if it will work for you. And in some cases, may take up to 2 months before you can tell. I would recommend to try it for the long haul unless you experience any adverse reactions from it.

Best wishes,
Melissa

[Munch Ausen]

Welcome cmcgeorge

Can I ask how much the San Antonio clinic charges for their treatments?

Also, how did you find out about the clinic if you live far away?

Thanks!

[cmcgeorge]

The clinic in San Antonio charges 600.00 per treatment. I did find it odd that Dr. Nase told me over the phone that I would probably need 6 treatments based on my description of my symptoms. I live in East Texas and the clinic is about 7 hours away. I found out about the site by searching for rosacea treatments on the internet. The clinic appears to be on the up and up when you visit. Very nice and Dr. Neilson was great. It bothers me now to think he has some kind of contract with Nase and they are funding one another. I have to say, I did receive some relief from my redness with the treatments. Based on what I know now, I seriously doubt I will be returning.

[MARPUSBEAN]

We are all keen to learn as much as we can about the Institute, so you had laser and not IPL? did they say why they went the laser route, and which laser was it?
Re ocular rosacea, it is my experience, that if you have a longer series of treatments, removing more vessels, and it works, the face calms down and all symptoms are reduced including ocular.
I myself do not have bad ocular symptoms, so only when having a really bad flareup do I begin to get eye problems.
Good IPL has reduced the flareups so reduced ocular symptoms.

[Millie]

Did the clinic offer insurance reimbursement? They claim to do that in their advertisements on nase's site. $600/session is very very expensive.

From nases'site:

> Insurance Reimbursement for Laser Tx. at Rosacea Treatment Institute: 06/12/07
The hard work we placed in to making sure rosacea patients receive
reimbursement for treatments is paying off. On our first follow-up,
Alissa L. from out-of-state and out-of-network received reimbursement
for laser treatments. She had a severe case of rosacea with flushing.
The cost for Rosacea Multipass Laser Treatments was $3,500; She received
a reimbursement check for $2,500. Insurance covered 72% of her treatments.

[Peter]

The clinic in San Antonio charges 600.00 per treatment. I did find it odd that Dr. Nase told me over the phone that I would probably need 6 treatments based on my description of my symptoms. I live in East Texas and the clinic is about 7 hours away. I found out about the site by searching for rosacea treatments on the internet. The clinic appears to be on the up and up when you visit. Very nice and Dr. Neilson was great. It bothers me now to think he has some kind of contract with Nase and they are funding one another. I have to say, I did receive some relief from my redness with the treatments. Based on what I know now, I seriously doubt I will be returning.

Hi cmcgeorge

A question for you which I’m sure everybody will be interested in. Did Mr. Nase tell you over the phone his regime for treating his rosacea and how he managed (so he says) to have put it in remission for the last 7 years with no symptoms or triggers of note? We can only assume he has passed his secret onto the Institute and all his patients will benefit once they pay some money. Apart from the pictures taken in court, all we have seen are the pictures on his website supposedly taken last August which are obvious fakes.

http://www.drnase.com/recent_headlines.htm#Photos

He has been asked to supply photographs in the past but strangely for someone in total remission appears to be reluctant to do so. From what we understand he never appears at the clinic either, which does seem very odd.

Thanks

Peter

[Munch Ausen]

Thanks cmcgeorge for your honest opinion. you are the only person that has ever posted on here about the institute. Well I think one person did awhile back but never returned ..

$600.00 is much too high. His book must not be selling anymore.

You say you find their relationship disturbing. Why so?

[cmcgeorge]

Peter,

I have not seen any photos of Nase, nor did he mention his treatment. I found it odd that he actually answers the telephone and he seems as if treating my difficult case would be a piece of cake. I was skeptical because I have seen countless doctors, each thinking they can help me, and never receiving any lasting relief. I was so desperate that I was willing to try somthing new.

When I went to the Institute I was able to tell that Dr. Neilson is the only one in the office who talks to Nase, not the secretaries or nurses. Nase did tell me on the phone he would do all he could to get insurance to reimburse me for the treatment. When I went for my appointment at the Institute, the secretaries said they did not handle any insurance claims nor did they think my insurance would pay. It is clear that Nase only communicates with Neilson and is not an intregal part of the Institute staff.

I just desperately am trying to find help for my occular symptoms.

Cindy

[bentherebefore]

600 is a bit high, but not horrible. I know derms around here that charge 600 per treatment, and since the clinic specializes in rosacea, I don't think that is such a bad deal. I would probably visit if I lived in TX... but I don't.

[Peter]

Peter,

I have not seen any photos of Nase, nor did he mention his treatment. I found it odd that he actually answers the telephone and he seems as if treating my difficult case would be a piece of cake. I was skeptical because I have seen countless doctors, each thinking they can help me, and never receiving any lasting relief. I was so desperate that I was willing to try somthing new.

When I went to the Institute I was able to tell that Dr. Neilson is the only one in the office who talks to Nase, not the secretaries or nurses. Nase did tell me on the phone he would do all he could to get insurance to reimburse me for the treatment. When I went for my appointment at the Institute, the secretaries said they did not handle any insurance claims nor did they think my insurance would pay. It is clear that Nase only communicates with Neilson and is not an intregal part of the Institute staff.

I just desperately am trying to find help for my occular symptoms.

Cindy

Hello Cindy

We really appreciate you coming on here and writing about your experiences with Nase, Neilson and the Institute. I am not surprised by your comments because to be honest it just confirms what some of us have suspected ever since Nase announced his partnership with Neilson.

Nase would suggest treating rosacea is a piece of cake because as we know he will be earning commission from referrals to Neilson via the telephone whilst sitting on his backside at home in Indiana and he doesn't even have to examine the patients face. Nice work if you can get it! Why should he care about whether the treatment works or not or whether it can be claimed back on insurance, because his part is over once he has you signed up?

$600 x 6 = $3,600 is a very expensive price to pay to people who do not have a proven track record for treating rosacea given that the clinic is really set up for ETS surgery. Remember it is not a clinic that specialises in rosacea just because Nase says so.

Also remember if the treatments were that good and Nase was in remission, clear, digital pictures of his face would be plastered everywhere for all to view. The whole set up as far as I can see is a con and clear cut deception at its worst by duping people who are desperate for something to help their rosacea.

Cindy if they cannot refund most of your money you have paid to date for treatments via the insurance claim then my advice would be to ask them personally to refund the money themselves. If they will not, then again my advice would be to report them to the authorities and ask them to investigate your specific case.

Fortunately I have never had problems with ocular rosacea but I am sure there are plenty of members on here who can give you advice.

Please keep us updated how you get on.

Thanks

Peter

[Peter]

Hello Cindy

One other point, if I may?

You wrote "I was able to tell that Dr. Neilson is the only one in the office who talks to Nase, not the secretaries or nurses. ... It is clear that Nase only communicates with Neilson and is not an intregal part of the Institute staff."

Why did you think that? Were other staff members unwilling to discuss Nase with you, or was it just a feeling you picked up on?

Thanks

Peter

[Peter]

600 is a bit high, but not horrible. I know derms around here that charge 600 per treatment, and since the clinic specializes in rosacea, I don't think that is such a bad deal. I would probably visit if I lived in TX... but I don't.

Actually if you go back in time you will discover that Nase thought it was a terrible deal! In December 2005 he said the new Sciton with double YAG was so cheap, treatments should be less than half the price of other laser or IPL treatments. (At that time, half the average price would have put them at around $200, I suspect.) Here's one such post:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=2338

drnase
Posted: Fri 23 Dec 2005 6:01 am Post subject: 5 years from now....what to expect?

We now have the first real major improvement in laser technology with the Sciton BBL laser and Double YAG that is averaging half the cost of other laser treatmets because the machine is actually much less expensive and the full face treatments only take half the time. Also, insurance coverage and reimbursement now make lasers a real possibility to almost all rosacea sufferers.

Geoffrey
------------------------------------------

Here's one from ESFB July 26, 2005 'Five Laser Treatments for $30 copay --
Yep':

"Then one for Sciton. I dont mean anything demeaning by this, but you folks have no idea how easy these fourth generation machines are. THERE IS NO MAGIC TOUCH OR SPECIAL MYSTERY SAUCE INVOLVED! Whatever their claiming, its nothing new or special. But they are excellent machines that can get the same excellent outcomes with any physician. 20 minutes of training. ...Most machines are completely paid off for within 30 to 90 days."
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At the end of 2005 one of Nase's supporters was posting at Rosacea Support that he was only paying $350 for TWO treatments.

That's why $600 per treatment from the new Sciton laser with Double YAG is a big deal. Perhaps Nase is forgetting what he once shouted from his soap box.

Thanks

Peter

[bentherebefore]

I guess I stand corrected.

I still think I would go if I lived in TX. It's not something I would fly to unless I was loaded. (quite the opposite... life by a shoestring...)

Well, one good thing about this. Hopefully Dr Neilsen will now be directing rosacea patients to BBL/laser instead of ETS.

[Peter]

After what's evolved yesterday and today, plus all the previous revelations you would still go? Do you like being conned out of your money?

Maybe you have forgotten this very long thread was actually started by Dr N himself but using the invented alias of Maria Cappolla. Read that first message again and work out for yourself what you are dealing with here.

I suspect Dr N will be directing rosacea patients to whichever treatment that means he will earn a buck or two, be it laser, ETS, coral or even magic mushrooms. I don't think he cares or is that fussy.

[MARPUSBEAN]

It seems to me that the Institute (such as it is) is hedging its bets!
Sure Dr Nase is directing patients to them, thats his job, and they will gladly accept the business.
However they seem to be distancing themselves from him, it would be interesting to know what Dr Nielson has told the staff??
The only other use for Dr Nase has been to supply the usual before and after photos we have been looking at for years.
The jury is still out, untile we hear from more people who have completed a full treatment course with good results.

[bentherebefore]

well it's a moot point... I'm not going, nor will I.

There are so many derms and machines around the country, I can't imagine paying plane tickets to go see a special one. (unless I lived in the UK, in which case i would go see dr. crouch in a heartbeat)

[miggymiester]

WOW, this is all news to me, but the evidence seems indisputable !! I had no idea he had leaped off the deep end. If this "Maria" is secretly Nase in disguise, then he seriously seem to be exhibiting patterns of behavior that would indicate a psychological problem (as IowaDavid so eloquently put it ). I'm so confused, why would he do this: Narcissism, Greed, Glory, Deceit...??!!!?? He was so respected in the rosacea community, why would he sabotage his own name and reputation. someone, please, fill me on what I missed !!

[Twickle Purple]

WOW, this is all news to me, but the evidence seems indisputable !! I had no idea he had leaped off the deep end. If this "Maria" is secretly Nase in disguise, then he seriously seem to be exhibiting patterns of behavior that would indicate a psychological problem (as IowaDavid so eloquently put it ). I'm so confused, why would he do this: Narcissism, Greed, Glory, Deceit...??!!!?? He was so respected in the rosacea community, why would he sabotage his own name and reputation. someone, please, fill me on what I missed !!

In his case, it appears to be the added, and unfortunate, combination of self delusion and conceit.

[phlika29]

Miguel

If would suggest that you look at this thread and click on the linked contained within:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=7553

[MARPUSBEAN]

Basicaly it all got to much for Dr Nase, he put himself centre-stage in the limelight on these forums, and felt he had to come up with radical new info, and possible cures and dramatic advances, all on a daily basis.
Of course this is not possible as far as rosacea is concerneed, so he then seemed to embelish, and fabricate,and lie, and create controversy just to keep the momentum of his self-proclaimed leadership of our little rosacea world.
What a pity as he was an intelligent man with a great deal of knowledge, but lacked stability and maturity, so ended up in hot water, and all the rest is history to be found in many places on this forum

[Munch Ausen]

Wow. I just re-read the first post of this topic and I can't believe what a crock it was. He's a real beauty.

[Millie]

Just for the memories....!!!! And some BIG laughs! Ladies and Gentlemen, the one and only post from MARIA "I'M FULLA" CRAPOLLA!!

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Dr. Nase Sets the Record Straight with Facts
Hi Group,

My name is Maria Cappolla. I have never posted here before as I usually just like to read. I have to say that most people here are great but a few bad apples seem to sour this entire forum. I will state up front that I am a big Nase supporter. Not because of his website, book or posts, but because of personal interaction. 14 months ago I was getting treated experimentally for hypertension with G Protein modifiers. To my surprise, 7 months ago on a follow up visit to the Hospital Clinic I heard Dr. Nase's name paged. I excused myself from the physician and ran to see if it was Dr. Nase. Our Dr. Nase. It was. Strange. He was there with a load of doctors from the same Clinic and Biotech company testing me. I introduced myself and he took time out to talk to me. He had been talking to this company and doctors about G Protein Biological Modifiers. Same stuff I was taking to open up my blood vessels. He saw I had rosacea and asked if I wanted to join a small study right there and then. I said yes. If I can explain this right. A G protein when attached to the vessel wall can cause sustained dilation for hypertension. On the other hand if you block it or uncouple it (from his website) you do the opposite. I listened with the other dozen participants. He started the program, brought in the needle injectors and also brought a portable wand for delivery. So, he had four different companies joining together just for rosacea. My red face was terribly flushed especially with the hypertension drugs. Dr. Nase put this wand on my face with a drug applicator -- like the wet mops. 10 minutes and done. Face was 100% white. I cried. He then stuck me in a preheated room for 30 minutes (tropical room) came out and I was white as a ghost. A second doctor put glycolic acid on my face and no reaction. Seriously. Then they fed us -- Thai food. Just sweated. Still white. It was a dream. 25 years plus beet red. Gone. Triggers gone. It has been 7 months now with follow up every 30 days when Dr. Nase flies in and takes samples and recordings with gadgets that look like they were from a movie. For 5 months 24 hurs a day, 7 days a week I have been rosacea free, trigger free, Free. The last two months I have had mild pinkness to triggers, but still a white face. 10 minutes of treatment and 7 months of no rosacea. So, I have met Dr. Nase 7 times in person. The four companies, the countless physicians all sit down and take notes. He put them all together. No bigger hero in my book. Challenged us with the hardest triggers. He figures the treatments should last 6 to 9 months and then redo. So, for me to read and watch the NRS for 6 years not produce one viable treatment and see Dr. Nase working behind the scenes getting everyone together by reversing a hypertension drug and then selling them on it for us........ who else. I will do my best to answer questions but I will not take any grief from the four or five people who have finally been exposed for who they are. Dr. Nase's update tonight was eyeopening. He has kept quiet and taken the high road for long enough. If any of you walked in to the clinic and was treated like I was -- with absolute care and a serious gleem in his eye that tells you rosacea is his enemy -- everyone would sit back and relax. We are in good hands whether you know it or not. A chance meeting showed me fiirst hand that Dr. Nase is still fighting for us. BTW, for those nasties who put up photos of him on steroids -- hes about 6 feet tall and 190 pounds -- I personally asked as I know he wont go down that road. The G protein stuff is real. They are starting a larger trial and I am done, but Dr. Nase will continue to treat me as long as the physicians OK it. He really is not suppose to but he understands -- you cant just taste freedom and then be locked up again for a few years.I think everyone should read his update. I think everyone needs to remember his 8 years of posts. How long did oother doctors last -- 4 or 5 months under scrutiny? Good luck to everyone. In my mind anyone who has rosacea is automatically a friend. I thnk that should be a rule.


http://drnase.com/rosacea_hot_topics.htm#New

Maria

[Peter]

Hello Millie

That opening post looks even worse now (if that’s possible) and unfortunately the work of a very deranged person. I was thinking recently how sad it is, that we have to keep on warning people but unfortunately without the warnings more innocent people will be conned. The recent posts from Cindy were a good example of this.

What really surprises me is that nobody has ever asked if Neilson knows how shockingly his employee Nase has lied to and deceived the rosacea community. If Neilson is aware of this and doesn’t care, then what does that say about the so called RTIT – his Clinic and operation? If he doesn’t know then perhaps he should be paying attention to this Forum or maybe he should be alerted?

Thanks

Peter

[MARPUSBEAN]

Peter, it is far worse when you read it now, it reads like the script for the worst B movie you ever saw.
I try and picture it, Maria is not just any big Nase supporter but she has had this "out of body" experience, there she was running half naked down these endlesss corridors, then the music gets louder, and she bursts into this room full of physicians, and there he is bathed in light, Nase!!!
Then one touch of the wand and she is cured, meanwhile the scene switches to the fiendish Thai chef who is preparing tubs full of the hottest Thai food ever prepared, but to no avail, she is cured.
How could you ever doubt this miracle, Peter, after all it has been in newspapers all over the world, on every news bulletin, and thousands have been cured ??
It is just that a pity that all of this happened in a parallel world that we do not live in, and its name is Nasopia.

I always love how he adds the little touches like how Maria explains that she is giving us the scientific info as best as she can, after all she is no expert.

[Peter]

Hello Marpus

I liked your analogy. You are right he is in another world to the rest of us, probably with Maria in Nasopia.

Not sure if you saw it but Nase sneaked on here again today as a guest. Thank you to the moderator who swept away the usual ridiculous lies. It always comes over to me that he accuses everybody else of the same things that he actually does. Perhaps it makes him feel better by accusing others? I suspect the only truthful thing in his post was the long-overdue admission that he wrote the "Maria Cappolla" post which originated this thread. The twist is that he now says he just completely reworded a message he really did receive from a "female". (Strange how Nase just can't just stand calling them "women".) Of course it is very convenient for Nase that this woman (we don't know her real name) has just disappeared into another life..... or perhaps Galaxy?

Anyway let's get back to the real world.

Thanks

Peter

[Munch Ausen]

So Nase posted on here today? lol. So he finally admitted that he wrote it?

He's the man !!

[Peter]

He's the man !!

Or the woman :wink:

[sweden]

Thinking about the history of the Nase, I remember that time a few years ago when he said he was sick, but he didnt want anyone to know cause then he wouldnt be allowed to visit his kids anymore... I always found that explanation (and many others) a bit fishy, and I seriously believe that the reason he couldnt see his kids (if that wasnt a lie), was that he does indeed have some psychological issues! But then again, he probably made up all that stuff about his wife not letting him see his kids, to get some pity from the rosacea group. It must be really difficult for him to remember all the stories he has been telling over the years, and not mix them up. Maybe he writes them down!

[Millie]

This is what was on Nase's web site, as part of the 14th September 2006 update in the Hot Topics section .
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Update: This borders on the hilarious so please finish reading before trying to catch your breath. A female who was involved in a clinical trial on Biological Response Modifiers in which I played a big role in treatment and analysis for rosacea redness and flushing (detailed below) read this and posted to the group a very nice, informative letter and the same people mentioned above jumped right on her stating it must be me because of writing style. This is sad. First of all, check the IP address -- not me. Second, the statement that "its my writing style" is old, not analytical, scientific nor correct. In all my years, Dr. Nase is always the user name and my signature is always at the bottom. I stand by my words and am actually probably one of the few people left who has never used an alias. Furthermore, when people read an entire book, a dozen journal articles, an entire rosacea web site and tens of thousands of posts, people naturally tend to mimic some of the styles of my writing and key phrases.

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Last version before it disappeared a few days later:

Update: A female who was involved in a pilot clinical trial on Biological Response Modifiers in which I played a big role in treatment and analysis for rosacea redness and flushing (detailed below) read this update, discussed with me if she could help by "Setting the Record Straight" and posted a very nice, informative letter to the group. This was information about an excellent treatment modality and a post by one person who wanted people to open their eyes up and discuss information. The handful of people above immediately jumped right on her -- did not want to email or post about the drug, but just started the same series of false allegations. This has happened in the past to at least 7 other people who were falsely accused of being me (who were harrassed by Peter and company for months by Private emails) and also my printer who posted to the group (their rationale for that one was that the message was "too personal". My printer has a 1-800 number that these people called and he verified everything he stated in his post. So, once again, it obviously must not be her! This is sad. I did warn her that these were not people interested in information. But what the heck. For the record -- NOT ME. First of all, check the IP address -- not me. Second, the purposefully false statements that "its my writing style" is old, not analytical, scientific and has no merit. You cannot take bits and pieces from one post and state that it is obviously me. In all my years, Dr. Nase is always the user name and my signature is always at the bottom. I stand by my words and am actually probably one of the few people left who has never used an alias. Furthermore, when people read an entire book written by me, a dozen journal articles, an entire rosacea web site and tens of thousands of posts, people naturally tend to mimic some of the styles of my writing and key phrases.
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I guess it was too "obviously him".

[Peter]

Hello Millie

Thanks for that just to refresh our minds what was said or not said at the time. All change again because this is what he said today but careful it might change again tomorrow:

"A female who went through the first two trials, who respects me, and wanted to talk about her results asked me to relay a message which I paraphrased and posted under a different name -- she was on medical disability and is now leading a different life. But, she does not need any additional stress by posting to this board. It was truthful, it was a message written to me to put forth to give hope and show Peter's shallowness, I paraphrased it and posted it."

Right just to clarify then for anybody not paying full attention #-o , he is now admitting that although Maria Cappolla was actually Geoffrey Nase (as we had all worked out anyway) she really was another woman/female who asked him to post on her behalf because she didn't want any additional stress, which he then proceeded to do under an imaginary name so it would really appear to be a genuine woman/female. She was under medical disability at the time and is now fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon how you look at it, now leading a different life. If only he had told us that at the time or explained on his web site so we would have believed him! :^o

Of course we also had redbegone appear later as well just to confuse things even further and that was also Nase in another guise. Then there was that other guy from New York with the red ears who was also Nase? Can you remember his name? Was it JJ? I seem to recollect he didn't like me much either :(

Bye

Peter

[Twickle Purple]

Apparently you were the reason he did it, Peter. :lol:

[Millie]

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH WHAAAAAAAA!!!

Peter, you are SOOOOOOOO scary!

Boo! Bet Neilson has NO idea about all of this - nase mentioned that in his thread, but he has lied about these things before - remember Dr. Darm?

[Munch Ausen]

Haha Busted again!

What a wanker!

[Millie]

It always comes over to me that he accuses everybody else of the same things that he actually does. Perhaps it makes him feel better by accusing others?

You're right! When Nase attacks people, he often projects his own hostility
and failures. Look at these quotes from Nase's message last night:

"You did a great job of diverting your problems by trying to shift them to
me."
"I see growing hostility. The language, the hatred, and the revenge."
- Isn't that just projecting how he feels about you?

Here are some more examples:

"Dr. Nielson, Dr. Clark, Renee, Anne, Peggy and two new staff all know about
the Internet trash and take it for that."
- Nase must be petrified that some of us might contact Nielson about this
continuing deranged behavior.

"I am actively writing journal articles for the American Academy of
Dermatology."
- Again, Nase thinks if he can convince people he is respected by the AAD,
no one will bother contacting them to ask if he is really writing for them.

Remember when Nase was posting as an anonymous guest last October, and he
insisted "Dr. Patrick Bitter Sr. will be on staff at the Neurovascular
Research and Treatment Institute"? I queried it and Nase replied:

"Millie, don't be so silly. No one can confirm that but Dr. Bitter Sr.
himself. Would you like me to get you his office phone number? Dr. Patrick
Bitter Srs. phone number: (408) 356 - 2154."

Nase always relies on true medical professionals not being willing to call
him a liar, even when Nase pretended to be a co-inventor of Dr. Bitter's
topical, and when Nase claimed that Bitter would be on the staff list of the
RTIT. (Funny, I don't recall seeing his name there. Perhaps I blinked? ;)

The only good things to come out of Nase's post last night were his
admission that he wrote Maria Cappolla's message and that he is on a yearly
contract with Nielson. I wonder when it was signed? September or October
2006? No wonder Nase is getting jumpy.

[Munch Ausen]

I ask the moderators to put Nase's post back in here for all to see. We keep these discussions to this area so the rest of the forum isn't polluted.

Why remove a post that reveals the true Nase?

[Skywolf]

I ask the moderators to put Nase's post back in here for all to see. We keep these discussions to this area so the rest of the forum isn't polluted.

Why remove a post that reveals the true Nase?

Its a very imflamatory post against another. I could post it to you all, but then I would have to kill you, lol.
Seriously though, the text was viewed by 20 people before it got the ax. We cant be here all the time, things happen.
This thread has gone on long enough, started by nase under another name. I want this to go away. I know the newcomers here dont know what happened, but to me now it just beating a dead horse.
The man is nuts, Its sad, people have been lost from this forum because of it. As Mods, we will not allow it, its not like it was when poor Jen was trying and burning herself out tying to handle it all in a horrible situation, war! We are a team now. we may not be here all the time, very different time zones and schedules, but we ARE here.
Anyway, I seem to have gone a bit off topic, back to the Nase bashing (within reason please)
Takes off mod hat for now and sets it aside. Cat decides mod hat is comfy and curls up on it snoozing. Oh well, I need to get some sleep too.


Laura

[Peter]

The man is nuts, Its sad, people have been lost from this forum because of it.


Laura

The problem is that this "Nutter" is still out there dispensing medical advice and apparently earning money from doing so. That is very scary and in the interest and health and safety of the public something should be done about it. It's therefore important people can read the truth on here and not the endless lies that emerge from Mr Nase.

The membership of this Forum looks very good to me and remember some of those that left (or got banned) were supporters of Nase. Are there any left now?

Thanks

Peter

[MARPUSBEAN]

Yes I think the situation is not too bad.
The Rosacea Institute seems to be performing sensible, recognised, laser and IPL using good equipment for what, appears to me, to be top of the scale market prices, and from the little we have heard the staff behave in a reasonable and profesional manner.
After all Dr. Nielson is out to make money without having problems or litigation.
Nase does not appear to be there or involved in the treatment side.
If I was in their shoes I wouls distance myself from him.
So it seems to be removed from the bullshit, and the ranting.
Remember Dr. Nase is a remote cyber figure, he is not working anywhere and is not able to carry out any treatment work himself, and as far as we can see not doing any research work.
If he was a functioning scientist or medical person he would NOT spend time posting on an open forum under assumed names, or attacking real and imagined enemies.
Which shoud not underestimate the disintegration of his professional personae, but also not overestimate his power or presence, it is very very small.

[Rauno]

Could anyone please make a little summary about who Dr. Nase is and especially what was it that he did that made many people here dislike him? :roll:

As I've understood that the Nase story is much older than my time being an user in this forum(and there are probably several other new users here who don't know much about Nase) I hope someone can explain it in a short and possibly honest way...

Thanks

[Peter]

Hello Rauno

Yes I can see it can be confusing for a newcomer.

You will get a very good answer to your questions at:

http://www.debunkingnase.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

It should all fall into place then for you.

Thanks

Peter

[Munch Ausen]

The link that Peter provided will pretty much give you everything you need. Be sure to start at the beginning and work your way through to the end.

The man is a compulsive liar who will say anything and hurt anyone to protect himself. He may have a PhD but it is definitely not in the discipline of intelligence or logical thinking.

Many people have been hurt by him in the past. We have now banded together to prevent him from hurting ANYONE else.

:?

[Steve95301]

Youtube: Munchausen

[lobster222222]

OMG thats flipping hilarious......

[IowaDavid]

Youtube: Munchausen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WTZ0SlL3u8)

What the HELL? :lol:


LOLOLOLOL.

[Melissa W]

That's great! :lol:

Too bad it won't get too many views (probably) because hardly anyone (besides the rosacea community) has ever heard of him.

[Peter]

Hello Melissa

Outside of the internet forums I think you will find there are many people with rosacea who have never heard of him either, as really in the big picture of the Dermatology world he is a nobody . Sarah discovered this when she went on the Rosacea Master Class Workshop in London and spoke to the people attending. Geoffrey Who? Unfortunately some rosacea sufferers will stumble across him in all innocence and finish up getting conned. Look how you nearly fell for his silver tongue sales patter. As Cindy recently reported he gave the impression treating rosacea was a piece of cake. As Munch said above it's vital to prevent him from hurting ANYONE else.

Just noticed the DB site have updated their Maria Cappolla story. Those guys whoever they are, certainly do not waste any time.

http://www.debunkingnase.org/index.php?title=Maria_Cappolla:_The_Truth_at_Last

Thanks

Peter

[Steve95301]

I think the author made some improvements with Munchausen: version 2

[Melissa W]

Hi Peter,

I agree. It is so important to be able to talk about him and warn others who might be conned. I am thankful to you and this forum for allowing this to be discussed.

Best wishes,
Melissa

[Melissa W]

I think the author made some improvements with Munchausen: version 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuxVoQDxyhc)

The music is very appropriate. From Creed 'my own prison'
Very nice.

Thanks Steve.

Best wishes,
Melissa

[Peter]

Hello

I have received new information that should be the final postscript to the infamous message that started this thread nearly two years ago when "Maria Cappolla" wrote so vividly about the sessions where "our" Dr Nase flew in especially to treat rosacea patients with his so-called magic wand. I quote her words "No bigger hero in my book".

Genuine members tried hard to track down anyone named "Maria Cappolla" but failed and it was later established beyond doubt that Nase wrote the post himself.

I have now been sent proof that Nase's mother's maiden name was Geraldine Cappola.

Well the record has been put straight with the real facts now and I think we can move on knowing Nase's exposure as a fraud is complete.

Thanks

Peter