The Many Faces of Jen's Rosacea

[redhotoz]

Ahhh...well...I've been thinking that I haven't really shown what my face used to look like. I've posted one good photo (when I started down the natural healing path), one flushing photo with hardly a scrap of p&p (somewhere down the track of natural healing) and my avatar is a glam shot taken at the end of 2004 with a heap of makeup on (done by a professional makeup artist) to hide what was underneath.

Anyway, I thought I would throw up some mug shots of the things I've had to deal with since having Rosacea. I'm kinda past the vanity thing but just for good measure, I'm throwing in a 'normal' pic of me...yup...wedding day in 1997 but this is what I miss. I mean, looking normal. Blah!

These are not really in any order but here goes:

Wedding day 1997 (makeup on big time but underneath was pretty normal back then). Some zits to cover but you wouldn't even know.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/6245414c.jpg

Just after giving birth March 2004. I remember that my face was calm then. I think the redness had more to do with giving birth than Rosacea. It was still there though...obviously!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/5d50c9b0.jpg

Not cropped. You can see the Rosacea creeping back in here.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/bce49cbb.jpg

I remember my son taking this shot in the kitchen. Can't remember the date. Flash on.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/bcff274c.jpg

Yup, my son taking the pic again...still in my jammies! Don't remember when. Flash on...and still big time red!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/8831dc57.jpg

No idea even what year this one was. Might have been after a course of antibiotics.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/e7430e2e.jpg

Think the flash would have been on for this one.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/768b863b.jpg

Flash again. Urgh, good look Jen! NOT! LOL

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/a2d1a695.jpg

I remember my face felt good in this photo but sure doesn't look it, huh!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/7bfcc104.jpg

This one's a doozy! Look at the swelling around the eyes! Soooo ouch!!!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/puffyface.jpg

P&P...gotta love them! :cry:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/fa6171a4.jpg

Same day, can't remember which day, other side of face.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/36802b12.jpg

Loads of spots. Leave me alone you horrid Rosacea beast!!!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/b34242e5.jpg

Please...someone save me from this beast! Inside shot, flash on. But still red and those horrid p&ps!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/5655af4d.jpg

A little calmer, maybe?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/06777202.jpg

Not sore here.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/4726f83c.jpg

Flushing...ouch!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/e8adae0d.jpg

Feeling and I think not looking too bad.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/3924cdec.jpg

I was thinking also that these photos might help newbies to recognise if they have Rosacea or not. I know these pics are ugly but heck, that's how it is.

Hey, you might notice that quite often the p&p's come up in the same spots. Just when you think you've got rid of them...BAM...back they come!

Jen

P.S. I tried to make the photos about the same size but since they were taken at all different times/days/years, I'm not sure how exactly. Well, maybe I'm just being a tad lazy.

[Twickle Purple]

Oh Jen,

Your poor beautiful face! It looks so painful.
You have such a lovely face and a sweet smile!

I'm glad that you are getting relief, your skin looks much less angry and swollen now. Did your pregnancy bring out the Rosacea beast?

Seeing the remarkable improvement you've made through natural healing, healthy diet and RLT is very encouraging!!

Huge cyber hugs!
Twickle Purple

[David Pascoe]

Wow thanks for being brave and confident enough to share all these photos with us Jen. So many of us won't allow photos when we are at our worst, so you are a trooper.

I know that the whole online rosacea community is a better place because you are strong and fighting for yourself and for us as well. I'm equally sure that all of us are reading your post and wishing you the hugest success with your battle with the beast.

More power to you !

davidp.

[redhotoz]

Hi TP

Well, I'm not sure really. I think that after my first pregnancy in 2001 Rosacea kicked in for me. Maybe it was a bit before but really noticable after the birth of my first child. I didn't have a digital camera back then, so I don't have any pics on my computer. I was (and usually am) the one taking the photos. Besides, it's too hard to drag out paper photos. The pic above is after my second child.

I must say that the improvement from diet took hold quickly and I was really surprised at just how sudden it was. I had only been using my red LED array for over a week at that point in time (the last photo) but it sure helped to calm things down a lot. I still go up and down and am in a bit of a rut at the moment. *Sigh* It'll pass though and I need to look at the long term, bigger picture.

Thanks TP. You're a sweetheart and such a wonderful new asset to this Forum - a breath of fresh air!

Luv Jen x

[redhotoz]

Thanks David

Yeah, took me a bit of courage to post all of those uglies! I guess I have managed to get past the vanity side of it and look at Rosacea more as a medical condition. Stepping outside and looking back in, evaluating and being clinical about what I see in the pics has helped a lot. It's still upsetting to go out in public wearing my health issues on my face but I have worked out ways to deal with it now. If people make comment, I discuss my face in terms of a medical condition and it doesn't take long for folks to get bored with that. So the subject is changed fairly quickly and they no longer stare with sideways glances, trying not to catch my eye! LOL You've just got to laugh or else you will want to cry! Laughter is the best medicine. In fact, I think the best line I have is "Yeah, well I so wish my health issues presented themselves on my behind, rather than my face!" That usually gets a laugh and the conversation moves on.

Anyway, I'm rambling now! No sleep due to my two boys being up all night!

Thanks again David. You do such wonderful work for the Rosacea community and my hat goes off to you (if I had one to take off, that is!).

Luv Jen x

[clsykes00]

Impressed with your courage! Thanks for doing this.
Trey

[Tricia]

Hey Jen, thanks for posting those, it's really very helpful. I know you like to go the natural route and I think that's great, but have you ever had your hormone levels checked? It's seems almost too coincidental that things erupted right after your first pregnancy. Maybe something was thrown out of wack?

I know Irish Genes has posted a lot on this subject in a different thread and might be worth a read if you haven't already.

Tricia

[redhotoz]

Thanks Trey.

Yes, Tricia. I have thought about hormones and it's on my list of possibles. As I've been paying more attention to what my body is doing, I have really noticed a correlation between when my face goes backwards and the time of the month. I have flicked through Irish Gene's posts but do need to spend the time reading more thoroughly. Thanks for the suggestion and reminder.

Jen

[rwilliamson320]

which ones or where are the photos of after shots after natural healing and red light?

Also,

Whould you say you have mild rosacea, moderate or severe rosacea?

[Twickle Purple]

I see that RedHotOz is a really HotOz! :lol:

[patrice]

Keep going , you are such a great lady !
Patrice

[redhotoz]

Hi Robert

The last 4 photos are the most recent ones. The last one is when I started down the natural healing/red light path. When I started the diet, I had almost immediate improvement. The reason I wanted to post some of my before pics is to show where I had come from. So the last pic was a huge improvement for me.

The three before that last photo show the ups and downs I go through now during the healing reactions. Funny enough, when I was putting the photos up, I realised that I have only taken a photo when I am feeling yuck about my face! I have posted a lot, also in PMs and e-mails about how excited I am about this approach and I still am. When I am on top of things, I just get on with living and the last thing I think about is taking a photo! I must remember to take a pic when things are looking good! Sorry, pretty daft of me really!

I'm still on a bumpy ride. It's taking me longer than I had envisioned to get to where I want to be. Also, I haven't been perfect on my diet and I've been a bit slack with sitting under my lamp. I was much more disciplined in the beginning and it shows, huh! I go up and down with this approach which is directly linked to how slack I've been with the diet/lamp. Overall though, I know that I'm on the right track.

I'm not sure whether I have moderate or severe Rosacea, maybe somewhere inbetween? It's hard to self diagnose that really. What we feel may not always be what the face looks like and vv. That's why it's good to get feedback from others. Know what I mean? Like...am I being too over the top with this or am I in denial? That sort of thing.

I wanted to put these ugly shots up to show firstly where I have come from with Rosacea, as the last picture (which I posted in another thread) was not a true representation of 'before' - call that vanity I suppose - I got passed that! Ouch! Secondly, I wanted to show that what I am doing is a long term project and things will go up and down before I get to where I want to be. I could have waited for several more months but I felt this would help people to realise that what I am trying will take time, not an overnight fix.
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Hey TP!

Hot - especially when flushing! Oh hey, but I don't flush like that very often now - touch wood. Now, if I read your post another way...you'll get me blushing saying things like that! I didn't want to be presumptuous though! LOL

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Thanks Patrice. You're a sweetie!

Jen

[Quench]

Thanks for sharing your pics Jen. I see a huge improvement already. Your skin looks much calmer. It's very heartening to know that we don't have to be passive about this condition and can do so much to help ourselves.

[francois]

Dearest Jen,

I am a big admirer of your knowledge and your ambition. You are definitely a great asset for the rosacea group. Honestly..

I know your thought about IPL but I think you might consider it again. Well, I also am scared of such a gamble but I need to start working soon and I cant imagine a life full of flushing and blushing. That would be devastating and a great exhausion. Therefore, I am ready to take the risk. I am going to Canada in a week and I will consider lasers there. It's so crazy that I am flying there on 13th and going to consultation on 14 th :? Well, I neither have money nor courage to start treatments right away but at least I know what I should do and drive my path...

So, what made me make this post is that I feel like IPL will work on you. Your natural approach definitely controls this disorder but IPL seems to be the only option for the permanent damage. As far as I know, there are many good IPL practioners in Australia, so that you won't even need to travel. Moreover, I can recall that your insurance covers the expenses, am I right?

You know mermaid? You probably know the improvement she achieved by IPL treatments. Well, that's what I wanted to say. I think her derm was excellent. As far as I can remember he treated thousands of patients. And you might give it a try?

We devote so much time, money and effort on our skins and definitely this fact makes us deserve better. Given my sacrifice, I am hoping that IPL(if I can get it) will give me my life back. I am not wiling to be completely normal but I should be able to work and take care of daily tasks without worrying about my face..

Wish me good luck

:oops: ------> :D
IPL(?)

[redhotoz]

Thanks Quench. It's so nice to have the support of my fellow Rosacean friends. That's what it's all about, huh! Supporting eachother and of course trying to find what will help us the most individually.
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Thanks Francois. I'm still frightened to try lasers although I haven't completely ruled it out. It still sits there in the unknown zone for me. Maybe one day, who knows?

When I was going to have PDL done in June (but chickened out) the Derm worked from the main hospital in the city closest to me and it would have been covered by Medicare. I'm not sure there are any near where I live that would do IPL from the hospital, so I imagine it wouldn't be covered by insurance in those cases? I haven't looked into it. I live in remote Australia, so everything is far away from me, especially medical specialists.

I did read about Mermaid's success. Australia is a big place and she lives a fair distance from me. She also had ETS so I'm not sure what percentage the IPL had vs the ETS. ETS is something I will never consider but everyone is free to choose what they want to try.

I do wish you all the best with your future IPL treatments Francois. Also with your move to Canada. Go get 'em!

Jen

[scrumptious]

Jen you are really brave showing your rosacea at it's worst, it makes me tear up actually because it looks so painful and noone deserves to feel the sort of emotional and physical pain we do.

My rosacea at its worst tended to just be flushing thankfully. i just wondered if there was any rosacea in yr family at all, could you trace it back to anything or anyone, or do you think it just comes down to pot luck with a smattering of genetics?

[redhotoz]

Hi Scrumptious

On the Irish side of my family, other family members definitely have Rosacea. My uncle has a bulbous nose but for various reasons, has neglected to undertake any major treatment. My Rosacea (besides my uncles) seems to be the most obvious in my family though...or more severe than other family members. Perhaps that has something to do with genetics or how I have treated my body over the years? I was always the 'renegade' of the the family in my younger days! LOL Maybe I'm paying for that 'wild child' era now? Maybe that's why this new lifestyle/diet made such a big impact when I first started?

My two sisters don't appear to have Rosacea so that would lead me to believe that it may well be pot luck with a recessive Rosacea gene. How much is due to that or lifestyle, I don't know. I am thinking that I may also need to look at hormones (thanks to those who have suggested this on and off the Forum).

Jen

[purplesarah]

Wow, thanks so much for sharing your photos with all of us Jen.

It helps to see someones journey like yours, just as a place of comparison. For someone like myself who has only just realised in the last six months that they have rosacea and has only been diagnosed in the last few weeks, it is really helpfull.

[redhotoz]

Thanks Sarah. I found an old photo back in 2001 when Rosacea had just started to kick in. No p&p here, just a few zits but you can see the redness creeping in. I had no idea what it was back then and thought it was just normal after having a baby! Doh! It was quite some time after that when I found out what it was and then I was in denial for a long time. Wish I knew earlier though and hope these photos help newbies to be proactive in getting the Rosacea beast under control early on.

I no longer wear red clothing!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/justforjen/a3ae8765.jpg

Jen

[hencloud1]

Hi Jen

Looking through your photos, your rosacea is very similar to mine in its progression from red and flushing to the P and Ps and their dispersement and frequency.

I dont know wether you agree with it or not but have you tried z cream. I know its a bit of the proverbial grandmother and sucking eggs. If you have tried it I would be interested to know whether it worked or not.

Simon

[redhotoz]

Hi Simon

I haven't tried the Z Cream but after watching your progress I've been seriously thinking about it. I've gone to the web site quite a few times and then I remind myself how many creams I have sitting in my bathroom cupboard that don't get used, then I close the web page! LOL I haven't ruled it out but I'm being a bit of a miser with Rosacea products of late. Maybe one day I'll give it a go.

Thanks

Jen

[claudia]

Hi Jen,

Thanks for posting your photos. I admire you sharing with us! I'm just now starting to look more at other people's photos and comparing them to my own condition. When my skin is flaring it's very much like yours.

I'm now convinced that ultra skin sensitivity to androgen hormones (even at normal levels) causes the deeper p&p's for some of us. And then the other rosacea symptoms...irritated blood vessels, etc. cause surrounding swelling and redness in response to the hormone driven p&p's. Maybe that's why red light and diet can't totally take care of the flare-ups because the additional problem of sensitivity to androgens is still happening (???).

I'm following your posts to see how the natural approach is working for you...with much hope that you may find something that also takes care of the deeper p&p flare-ups. I know you mentioned ZZ cream was starting to work...is it still? I've tried salicylic acid products but they make my skin flare up beet red and lots of bumps!

I'm hoping you'll post some more recent photos now that you've been using the ZZ cream and red light for awhile, etc. Or if I've missed that thread please tell me where it is. Thanks!

For now my tx below is working very well but it's alot of meds. The one medication that may be the clincher is the spironolactone...which curbs androgen production. My next goal is to keep on lowering the bactrim to nothing and just use it if the spiro doesn't quite handle things.

[redhotoz]

Hi Claudia

I did post some up-date photos late last year here:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=3542&start=30

Just scroll down a bit. I wasn't sure which thread to put them in...red light, photos or diet.

I haven't been taking any photos for a while now, although after reading your post earlier today, I took one. Haven't up-loaded it yet. If it's not blurry, I'll post it up.

Things are still going well for me but not perfect. I still get ups and downs but the downs are not as bad as they used to be. Yeay! :D

I asked my GP about hormones when I saw him last week. He dismissed it and went off on another tangent...which I thought was a bit harsh. Actually, it really peeved me...but such is life!

The ZZ keeps the p&p's mostly at bay, not perfect but much, much, much better. I'm happy with it.

I do find it difficult to analyse my own skin. I aslo find it hard to ask a friend for feedback! When I was just on the diet and doing red light therapy, the p&p's did need something else to get them under control. That's why I thought I would try ZZ. I don't really understand that much about hormones but you may well be right about the androgens. I keep promising myself to sit down and read IrishGenes thread on it but get side tracked.

Jen

[claudia]

It was my derm before this one that turned me on to spironolactone. She started me at a rather high dose (I guess normal when starting...like antibiotics) to counteract a drop in estrogen that I experienced when I stopped taking hormone replacement therapy several years ago and suffered with a very terrible flare-up that lasted months. The spiro takes time to kick in...months...as it slowly builds up in the system. That's one of the reasons it's supposedly considered a very safe drug to take forever...it's extremely gentle on the body because it acts so slowly. For women it mimics a more natural balance of androgens to estrogen...blunting the androgens and allowing the existing estrogens to be dominant.

My current derm wasn't as familiar with using spiro but had heard about it and is starting to use it. She thinks that some women are just ultra sensitive to androgens...that there doesn't have to be an actual hormonal imbalance for flare-ups to happen. She has a colleague who works with hormonal imbalances in women who is also supporting this idea. I had a blood work-up that also supported this idea...my hormones were normal for my age. So basically my whole life I have probably had an extreme sensitivity to androgens that got jump started with adolesence and then again with menopause.

It makes sense to me. I'm now on a teeny dose of spiro...just eneough to curb androgen production. No side effects. If anything, I feel better... like my body is more in balance. Hard to explain but I can feel it.

Gotta go...will check your recent photos. And look forward to the updates!

CV

Great to see you rosacea improving with LED thereapy. Just wanted to ask, how are you with sun. I see you say in one of your pics that 'this is me after an hour in the sun in the pool'. Does the sun eefect you in terms of worseing your rosacea, does the sun feel more 'burny' on your skin now than pre-rosacea. I ask because even a few seconds sun causes painful burning, an hour of sun would certainly be a painful experience, especially Ozzie sun. Thanks

Cheesy

[redhotoz]

Thanks Claudia. So appreciate your feedback and info. :D

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Cheesy

I now find that I can tolerate more sun than I could before. I can't really compare with pre-Rosacea, because I don't remember...that is, I didn't take any notice of the sun's effects back then. For my Rosacea days, since I have taken notice, I am most definitely less sensitive to the sun. It's all good!

Jen

[Bob Bear]

Wow, amazing post! Thanks Jen, this is great stuff. It illustrates perfectly the progression of your rosacea.

And Im so glad that things are looking up for you. If anyone deserves a break for this crap, you do!

BB

[redhotoz]

Thanks BB

Hadn't realised you hadn't already seen my pics. Or maybe you had and not posted in this thread?

Anyway, I appreciate your support. I still go up and down and right now it's a down. Blah! Gawd! Gotta love Rosacea...NOT!!! Right when you think everything is peachy...BAM...it's turns red!

Life's little battles with the big R never seem to end!

Luv Jen x

[hisightes]

Jen,
You mentioned your diet has really helped. What kind of diet are you on? I am experiementing with different foods to see what is good/bad, what makes me flush, etc...

Patrick

[ablondemoment]

Hi Jen ,
I have not seen your photos before.I really admire your courage and honesty to us all in sharing your journey .I note alot of these photos are older ones. when you mention the last 4 photos, are they recent (as in 2007)? .it is just amazing looking at the last photo, such a positive change. With regards to the P&P, did they just start with a few pimples every so often and then get worse ? i occasionally am getting what I call pimples on my cheeks(seems to be in the same place), is this the start? Just want to again thank you for the amazin gjob you do here on the forum and your always very sound advice and encouragement. Bless you
Rita

[redhotoz]

Jen,
You mentioned your diet has really helped. What kind of diet are you on? I am experiementing with different foods to see what is good/bad, what makes me flush, etc...

Patrick

Hi Patrick

Of recent times, I have become slack with my diet. I've noticed this has created a backwards step as far as Rosacea goes for me. I will get back to it but have lacked self-motivation of late. It's Bee Wilder's Candida (natural healing) Diet. She has a Yahoo group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/candidasupport/

If you join her group, you will be e-mailed an intro file that explains the diet. It's a long read and can be quite overwhelming at first but worth the effort. Bascially, it is about eating unprocessed foods in a ratio high in good fats : protein : low carbs. Obviously there is more to it than that but it's hard to sum up in one sentence.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Jen

[redhotoz]

Hi Jen ,
I have not seen your photos before.I really admire your courage and honesty to us all in sharing your journey .I note alot of these photos are older ones. when you mention the last 4 photos, are they recent (as in 2007)? .it is just amazing looking at the last photo, such a positive change. With regards to the P&P, did they just start with a few pimples every so often and then get worse ? i occasionally am getting what I call pimples on my cheeks(seems to be in the same place), is this the start? Just want to again thank you for the amazin gjob you do here on the forum and your always very sound advice and encouragement. Bless you
Rita

Hi Rita

P&p's for me started gradually and got worse over time. Sigh! Before Rosacea kicked in, I used to get the occasional pimple which really was no big deal. As Rosacea progressed, the occasional pimple turned into bigger and nastier ones....a lot harder to get rid of. It may not be the same for you and I am glad when I read that some folks don't ever progress to p&p's! Yeay! I hope that's the same for you.

I did post some more recent photos here:

http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=3542&start=30

Just need to scroll down a bit on that page.

Thanks for your kind words. I kind of need it right now.

Jen

[ablondemoment]

Hi Jen
sorry to hear that you are having a hard time. :( Is it the rosacea? I am amazed at your strength and desire to beat this "monster" ,looking at the photos you have not had an easy time ,and the pain must be an awful thing to deal with. Is their a family history of rosacea? I sometimes wonder why me out of 5 kids in our family...but is that not the case with all disease ..no one deserves it or asks for it, the reality of this world .I cant offer you the wealth of information that you so readliy share with others but know you are i n my thoughts and prayers..(that your needs will be met.) [-o< am going out to an uncles 70th,but if you want to chat will check messages when I get back.
Rita

[redhotoz]

Hi Rita

Not sure if it's Rosacea-related or not, really. Just a down time for me right now. I will win the battle...there's no doubt about that! Yes, I do have a family history of Rosacea but not everyone has it in my family, thank goodness!

Thanks again Rita. You're a sweet heart!

Jen

[claudia]

So sorry to hear you're down right now...you're always there for all of us! I hope we can be a comfort to you too. Is there something really nice you can do for yourself?

Will send good vibes your way and a prayer that you feel better soon.

Hugs ~ CV

[redhotoz]

Thanks Claudia. I wished we lived closer, as I believe we would make great friends in person.

I'm going to take some time out and stay with Mum and Dad for a week or two. I'll get back to me soon enough.

I was thinking of giving up the pressure of the Rosacea Forum but then thought some time out would probably be the better option.

Luv Jen xxx

[Tricia]

Hey Jen,

I'm so sorry to read that you are feeling bad. I know what you mean maybe as I've been see sawiing back and forth between great and pathetic.

Anyway, I just want you to know that I have always respected and been impressed by your great attitude and your eagerness to share your knowledege about rosacea with others, even though I have not always agreed with your statements. So even though you're a bit down now, please keep in mind how big a source of information and hope you've been to others and know this makes you a better person.

Lean on us any time if you need too!

Tricia

[Twickle Purple]

Dear Jen,

I hope that we are all so much better behaved now as too not cause you to much grief. You're the heartbeat of this place. I really hope that the rest is all you need and that everything turns out for the very best for you!!!!

Biggest, warmest hugs,
TP

[redhotoz]

Thanks Tricia and TP

I'm not good at asking for help but I do like to help others. It's my nature. I'm strong inside and will get through this down time. My Dad faxed me a very interesting article with a web site. Once I've been through it, I might just post it up in a new thread, when I get back. I'm headed off tomorrow, not sure for how long yet.

Hey, you know, I'm all done with the arguments on this Forum. I spent a year battling with who is real, who is a liar, who is advertising, who is 'verbally' abusive, who is posting porn or spam, gaining freinds, losing friends etc etc. I'm just tired of it. Yes, I've had my 'spacky' moments when I get annoyed with a topic or a member but I've tried my best to stay calm. Hey, we're all human!

Anyway, I'm off tomorrow for a sojourn! Re-group, re-gather...come back fresh. Whoo hoo!

Luv Jen xxx

[Artist]

Jen I hope you have a nice, relaxing trip. You are always so fun and contribute mountains of valuable information and support.

Hugs! Artist

[angelkatherine]

Thank u so much for posting your pics I will post mine soon.....yup its good to know we are not alone...

katherine

[angelkatherine]

I dont take many pics of myself anymore but there are some here its a page for my co workers to see our outings I just look like I overdosed on blush but am not wearing any....

I use metro gel and antibiotics and this stuff called launol for the demodex mites that launol is a lotion u use on your head when u have lice too

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Thaks again for sharing and I hope u are much better its such a shame realy but thats why I am so blessed to have found u all

[angelkatherine]

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